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It’s Time for Conservatives to Stop Defending Police
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Posted on 07/22/2014 9:32:19 PM PDT by chessplayer

Imagine if I were to tell you there is a large group of government employees, with generous salaries and ridiculously cushy retirement pensions covered by the taxpayer, who enjoy incredible job security and are rarely held accountable even for activities that would almost certainly earn the rest of us prison time. When there is proven misconduct, these government employees are merely reassigned and are rarely dismissed. The bill for any legal settlements concerning their errors? It, too, is covered by the taxpayers. Their unions are among the strongest in the country.

No, I’m not talking about public-school teachers.

I’m talking about the police.

We conservatives recoil at the former; yet routinely defend the latter — even though, unlike teachers, police officers enjoy an utter monopoly on force and can ruin — or end — one’s life in a millisecond.

On Thursday in Staten Island, an asthmatic 43-year-old father of six, Eric Garner, died after a group of policemen descended on him, placing him in a chokehold while attempting to arrest him for allegedly selling cigarettes. A bystander managed to capture video in which Garner clearly cries out, “I can’t breathe!” Even after releasing the chokehold (chokeholds, incidentally, are prohibited by NYPD protocol), the same officer then proceeds to shove and hold Garner’s face against the ground, applying his body weight and pressure on Garner, ignoring Garner’s pleas that he cannot breathe. Worse yet, new video shows at least eight officers standing around Garner’s lifeless, unconscious body.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: copsarescum; donutwatch; leo
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To: Mad Dawgg

You might want to take a quick look at the first vid I linked to about the drunk deputy...


161 posted on 07/23/2014 8:00:48 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: B4Ranch

Mine was a LOT less than the local LEOs!


162 posted on 07/23/2014 8:03:31 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: kiryandil

I noted that.

I wasn’t attempting to compete with him, I merely asked some legitimate credible questions, which I don’t think he cared to answer.

Take care


163 posted on 07/23/2014 8:30:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: KJC1

Notice how the copper treats a non-cop, even though she is an army soldier...


164 posted on 07/23/2014 8:32:27 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: KJC1

JLS: “So you don’t have the power to arrest anyone you see committing a crime?”

KJC1: “Of course I do. But what happens next, if it’s a fellow officer in a corrupt department? You tell me.”

My understanding is that the accused would be locked up in a cell until their first appearance at which time they will begin their journey through the court system.


165 posted on 07/23/2014 9:47:16 PM PDT by JLS
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To: jsanders2001; Respond Code Three; BlueNgold; chessplayer; Jack Hydrazine; Utilizer; ...
This photo below is representative of police work today. The “bad” cop does the dirty work, while the “good” cops stand by approvingly, with their arms folded. The cop who assaulted this wheelchair bound guy with the IQ of an idiot, was given a 30 day suspension. The damn sadistic Psychopath hit a wheelchair bound invalid, and knocked him to the ground. His buddies, the so called "good cops" stood behind him. Any normal *civilian* would have been thrown in jail.

What kind of “MAN” knocks over a mentally challenged, wheelchair bound person? What kind of police department stands behind a so called “peacekeeper" like this?
Answer those two questions.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140703122438-cop-push-wheelchair-story-tablet.jpg>

166 posted on 07/24/2014 9:22:05 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Mad Dawgg
Truth is the majority of cops are in more danger of dying of a heart attack

Too many donuts. =D

167 posted on 07/24/2014 9:25:52 AM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: Moonman62
Cops do have the same rights, plus much more.

A simple example is traffic court. I recently sat in court and heard a cop testify that he witnessed a lane violation behind him, in his motorcycle side view mirror while turning. He yammered on about his training and experience.

The “accused” said that they did not commit the violation AND had a much better view of the situation looking forward and in full control of the car.

The judge took the cops view. They almost always do.

168 posted on 07/24/2014 10:15:58 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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To: FBD

I don’t think anyone approves of an officer knocking a handicapped man out of a wheelchair. While you’re at it can you post all of the good things that officers have done that we’re actually filmed?


169 posted on 07/24/2014 10:34:12 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: FBD

1. I dispute the notion that this is representative of most LEOs.

2. I never insinuated or stated the bad actors should not be held to account.


170 posted on 07/24/2014 6:17:18 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: chessplayer; Alaska Wolf; TexasFreeper2009; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; ...
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171 posted on 07/24/2014 6:46:23 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: null and void

Okay.

I’ll try to keep my jackboot licking to a minimum from now on.

:D


172 posted on 07/24/2014 7:06:42 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: jsanders2001; BlueNgold; null and void; chessplayer
jsanders: “I don’t think anyone approves of an officer knocking a handicapped man out of a wheelchair.”

-Wanna bet? And WHY wasn't he fired?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3176380/replies?c=5

Jsanders: “While you’re at it can you post all of the good things that officers have done that we’re actually filmed?”

-You “good cops” are like the “good” Muslims. You constantly refuse to acknowledge that there's a problem within your own ranks, and when confronted with all the evidence to the contrary, you go into distraction mode, and “Oh look at us, we're the victims”
As a comparison statement: "Look at how much *good* the Muslim religion has done, why doesn't anyone focus on that?

-Well, I think we know the reason, why, don't we?
Like the Muslims, those of you in the “thin blue line” cover up for your bad apples, and you even make excuses for them. Why? -Because I suspect you're *afraid* of the "bad apples".

BlueNGold:
“I dispute the notion that this is representative of most LEOs.”

-Fine. Dispute this case:
Florida State Trooper Who Pulled Over Speeding Cop Sues 88 Officers in 25 Jurisdictions

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/04/florida-state-trooper-who-pulled-over-sp


When a State Trooper has to file a lawsuit to get her fellow state troopers to stop harassing her and threatening her with violence, then I'd say there's more then a “few bad apples”.

88 officers in 25 different jurisdictions.

You want to dispute THAT charge, as a “notion”???
From the article:


Florida State Trooper Who Pulled Over Speeding Cop Sues 88 Officers in 25 Jurisdictions

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/04/florida-state-trooper-who-pulled-over-sp

From the Sun Sentinel:
Trooper Donna “Jane” Watts’ 69-page lawsuit, filed in federal court Friday, seeks more than $1 million in damages. She is suing more than 100 police officers and agencies, and the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. The suit alleges 88 law enforcement officers from 25 jurisdictions illegally accessed her personal information more than 200 times, violating her privacy…

Other agencies have already settled with her and so are not named in the lawsuit, according to Watts’ attorney Mirta Desir. Margate, for example, settled for $10,000 after two of its police officers accessed her private information, said Margate city attorney Gene Steinfeld. The two Margate officers each received a letter of reprimand as punishment.

More details on the kinds of retaliations alleged, ranging from sending pizza deliveries to her house to making threatening phone calls, in the Sun Sentinel article.”


Bottom line, just like the Muslims, you "good cops" won't clean up your own “bad apples”. So here we are, the citizens are done fed up with your crap excuses, your lies, and your cover-ups. And we'll keep exposing this abusive crap, until something is done about it.

173 posted on 07/25/2014 8:35:01 AM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

I’m guessing Trooper Donna Jane Watts was a real looker that every trooper wanted to get to know better...: )


174 posted on 07/25/2014 8:48:17 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Celerity

I became a deputy after I retired from the Army because I thought that would be a good way to continue serving. That lasted about a year because, frankly, I could not stand the lack of principles and constant shady dealings I encountered.

I don’t go in for the brotherhood of silence demanded of officers to protect one of their own. I don’t go in for thuggish unions calling the shots. I don’t go in for threats and coercion, especially when someone has the temerity to suggest that my family and friends may have problems if I don’t keep quiet about official wrongdoings.

During that admittedly short time as a deputy, I saw so many corrupt politicians, petty government officials, judges, attorneys, social workers, and, yes, police officers that I can no longer wholesale support any of them. The myth of the “good majority” of police seems to be just that: myth. From what I have seen, I do not believe the “good majority” exists. I know we all want to stand up for our vision of the peace officer of yesterday, but I have found only a handful of them in my five decades of life and seeing it from the inside brought nothing but despair.

I am a law-abiding citizen, but I have seen precious few law-abiding police. The Us vs. Them attitude against both citizens and the Sheriff’s office, the militarization, the presumption of guilt without facts, the shootings of innocent people and animals, the many, many times a police officer throws his weight around because he can, the harassment of citizens just to make sure they understand who is in charge, the raids on the flimsiest of evidence—the list goes on and on. Some police officer over-stepping his mandate to serve and protect is in the news just about every day. By the way, when did “to serve and protect” become “to protect and serve?” The emphasis is important. They’re going to protect you until it hurts.


175 posted on 07/25/2014 4:36:43 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: jsanders2001
“I’m guessing Trooper Donna Jane Watts was a real looker that every trooper wanted to get to know better...: )”

They could have googled her, like I just did. But I'm guessing that wouldn't give them her home address and phone number, so they could call and harass her.

Incidentally, the National Association of Police Agencies was trying to amend the Driver's Protection Act, so that police can look at people's driver's license information, outside of their scope of investigation, and not face a $2,500 fine, like they do now. Presumably so they can have a look at women like Donna Jane Watts, and not have to worry about any consequences for accessing their personal information. (Story below photo)

http://www.leoaffairs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Trooper-Donna-Jane-Watts.jpg


A plague of ‘professional courtesy’

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/02/18/a-plague-of-professional-courtesy/



176 posted on 07/26/2014 8:48:23 AM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

She doesn’t look like much to me but her reputation might have preceded her...: )

There’s probably a little bit more to this story...


177 posted on 07/26/2014 10:43:49 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: FBD

She doesn’t look like much to me but her reputation might have preceded her...: )

I’m guessing there’s a little bit more to this story...


178 posted on 07/26/2014 10:44:44 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ronnyquest

The system is broken due to lowered moral standards in our culture but there’s plenty of good guys still out there...


179 posted on 07/26/2014 10:46:42 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001
"She doesn’t look like much to me but her reputation might have preceded her...: )I’m guessing there’s a little bit more to this story...

Smiley

Yeah, its probably her fault she's being stalked and harassed. :-/

180 posted on 07/26/2014 11:58:00 AM PDT by FBD
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