[Cold Heat]

“You negotiate SOFAs with sovereign host governments. You don’t need a SOFA if you occupy and run the country. Understand?”

Then again, We invaded Iraq, we destroyed their government, we put a ex ambassador in total control. But that was not a occupation.....nooooooooo...

Regardless of the mistakes made, the US allow the same UN that has screwed up more countries in it’s relatively short history then communism, totalitarianism, and Nazi-ism combined to design a parliament. But they just dumped it on them and held elections, at least 5 years too soon.

So no sofa was needed because Iraq was now a government approved sovereign nation.

How’s that working for ya?

FULL CIRCLE....Right back to my original argument that you took so much offense over.

I said that we did it totally wrong. We should have occupied them, I said, for at least 30 years.
and NO SOFA.

So there we are....right back where we started.

[Cold Heat]

Something else to say and it relates to a previous post about honest and continuity of promises by government.

When we went into Iraq for the second time, that was not good because we had already lost men, material and treasury on the first operation so we had to do it again and retake the same damn desert and fight those that we let get by us on the first attempt.

The government, knew it was going to be a hard sell, so Bush spent a year traveling and selling the idea that we were going to establish a democracy, a second democracy in the heart of the middle East as a counterweight to Iran.

That was the goal!

Now look at it!

[kabar]

Then again, We invaded Iraq, we destroyed their government, we put a ex ambassador in total control. But that was not a occupation.....nooooooooo...

Wrong. It was an occupation until the Iraqis elected a new government.

So no sofa was needed because Iraq was now a government approved sovereign nation.

A SOFA was needed with the legitimately elected government of Iraq.

I said that we did it totally wrong. We should have occupied them, I said, for at least 30 years. and NO SOFA. So there we are....right back where we started.

You are back where YOU started. There is no way we would occupy Iraq for 30 years. Our objective was to remove Saddam and prevent Iraq from becoming a sanctuary for AQ. Our big mistake was not leaving a residual force to assist Iraq in its transition. We failed to get a SOFA, which was by design. Obama and probably most of the American people wanted us to get out entirely. Hence Obama made sure that no SOFA would be obtained so he could use it as a pretext to leave.