” unintended consequences”
Totally intended - the raison d’etra.
O’bummer STARTED the whole thing - to get rid of one of our allies - who kept the muzzie brotherhood under control and who hated the tallies and helped us with intelligence on them and turning over any they got a hold of.
o’bummer was intent of establishing a huge foothold for the new Caliphate - and then there was also Qaddafi’s massive stores of gold (he didn’t trust banks (can’t imagine why) and kept the gold in country. He was encouraging - and had other countries in Africa ready to go with him - on establishing the gold standard, which would have been a big blow to us and most other countries.
And there was the super valuable oil pipe line from Libya, under the sea to Italy. (That was the prize for Italy going in with o’bummer.)
It was reported - and quaffed - soon after the beginning of the ‘kinetic’ whatever, the ‘rebels’ that we were arming were really al Queda run? I’m sure you remember that. No?
And there was the arms he had - a prize for al queda. ... you might remember something about what was really going on in Benghazi soon after Qaddafi was toppled? ?
And so, a handful of countries joined o’bummer - and they divided up the spoils. Old as history.
And we lost a valuable ally in the Middle East.
Well, I don’t have enough evidence to support most of what you assert. In fact you are “unintentionally” giving Obama credit for being brilliant, but wrong.
I think he’s a ignorant lib, if not stupid, so I used the term unintended consequences in the same way I use that term for what happened to the Shaw Of Iran. We created him as we helped to create Kaddafi.
I’m just pointing out to you that if you get into a balloon and ascend to 100,000 feet and take a look at the middle east in a time sequenced calendar, going back over a thousand years, you will not see the US anywhere but you will see numerous State sponsored actors screwing with the Middle east and North Africa for their own reasons.
Over time, you will see groups of Muslims, small at first then growing, begin to fight, destroy and kill these foreign invaders, (as they see them) and they kill a lot of them, and they even invade their domains, all the way to Italy.
That was your Caliphate, if I recall, and they want to do essentially the same thing again, since it worked so well before.
Taking away just how stupid that idea is, for a moment, with todays weapons and interdependent global societies, the reaction to other States screwing with them, seems reasonable to a liberal moonbat. I think that is how they think, and no I don’t think they are smart enough to engineer the Middle East, even though they think they have good intentions as all liberals do.
Frankly, and I written a lot of words about it this weekend, I would prefer our Middle East and African policies to be reworked and made absolutely clear to anyone.
I would like to have a policy that simply says that if we are forced to intervene or do it as a strategic option with boots on the ground, we need to invade, occupy, and stay for the length of time it takes to repair or remodel not just the infrastructure, but the people themselves. It could take 50 years, or 30, but it won’t take less than that.
I think if we are not willing to do that, we should stay out and have a policy of containment using what ever means are needed for that, to include bombs, missiles, ICBM’s. Weapons aid to one side or another would only end up being used to kill us as well so I would not do that.
As to our policies in Eastern Europe or elsewhere, I think they can be different.
I guess what I am saying is that what I am saying here that I believe this group of people with this shared religion are probably not salvageable without great expense. And I don’t think they ever will be.
I think we should reassert parts of a much older foreign policy as it applies to them, and modify it by saying that we contain then but leave them alone and let them kill each other, or if a strategic issue develops, then kill them all as the situation warrants.
I am saying, that I am done with them and we should be too. Unless we make the effort to deprogram them. Going perhaps as far as writing a New Koran.
I think we should, since it’s impossible to get a working program that would not last 30 years or more, that we need to extend continue to extend that protection to Israel in the same way we would protect Alaska or Hawaii.
Once those policies are written in stone, we let the chips fall where they may and suppress any domestic opposition to it as best we can.