Posted on 08/03/2014 9:04:43 PM PDT by AlmaKing
Dumping Beretta
Last month, the Army announced plans for an "industry day" at which gun manufacturers such as Smith & Wesson , Sturm, Ruger , Colt, and Glock would be invited to show their wares and compete for a new contract. Its objective: to replace the M9 Beretta semiautomatic pistol.
The U.S. Army holds more than 200,000 M9 Berettas in its inventory. If it proceeds with plans to use a new handgun, tentatively monikered the "Modular Handgun System," all of these M9s could soon be replaced. In fact, Military.com reported that if other armed services follow the Army's lead, one lucky gun company could soon receive an order for as many as 400,000 handguns -- a significant contract in an era of declining civilian handgun sales .
According to Military.com , the Army's main concerns with the M9 are that it's insufficiently accurate, lethal, and reliable for the service's purposes. That's not entirely Beretta's fault. Project officer Daryl Easlick at the Army's Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning, Georgia, was quoted in the Military.com article as saying that many of the Berettas it has in inventory today are "old," adding that "it's costing us more to replace and repair M9s than it would cost to go get a new handgun."
Some critics cite a lack of killing power in the M9. Simply put, the 9mm full-metal jacket round fired from a Beretta M9 isn't big enough to stop and drop every opponent a soldier encounters. This raises the odds of the Army's next standard-issue handgun being a .45 caliber weapon such as the M1911, which Beretta's M9 replaced in Army service in 1985. Lots of companies make .45 caliber weapons that the military could consider and companies might be submitting news designs for the Modular Handgun System.
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It is a mistaken belief that the Geneva Convention applies to ammunition; it does not. The one that does is the First Hague Convention of 1899, to which the U.S. is not a signatory. However, there is a provision in the Second Hague Convention of 1907 against ammunition designed to cause cruel or extraordinary wounding, and we are signatories to that convention.
It is arguable that expanding ammunition is not intended to cause any sort of wounding at all, but a quick and humane kill. That is certainly the argument for its employment in hunting. Were I to decide, we'd be using it at least in handguns, which do not (usually) develop the muzzle velocity necessary for tissue supercavitation that does occur in rifle ammunition and is the reason that rifle fire tends to be more lethal than pistol fire.
OTOH, FMJ has the advantage of greater penetration of armor. .357 SIG in FMJ would make an excellent combat round.
“Can’t purchase the new Remington in California because it is not on the Dept. of Justice safe handgun list. “
Well, you can if you can find a CA FFL who has the parts to do an SSE on the Remington. But you had better hurry because the RATs have legislated SSE out of existence effective 1/1/2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7RAPst-148
I would be against any government purchase of .357 Sig ammo. At least until I've bought enough for myself. ;-)
Plenty of law enforcement agencies do, including the Secret Service. I'd like to get a SAUER P229 when budget permits. I was able to pretend, before I lost all my guns in that unfortunate canoeing accident, with my CZ52 (7.62 x 25 Tokarev @ 1650 ft/s).
I purchased my first pistol on the assumption if the Walther PPK was good enough for James Bond it was good enough for me.
It was the biggest P.O.S. I ever owned. Stove pipe every third or fourth shot. Took to the smith more times then I can remember and it absolutely stunned him. I finally talked him to trading me for a new Beretta 84F (.380). It was about $40 cheaper, had twice the clip size, was more comfortable to grip, and was deadly right from the box. Never had any stove piping issues either. Carried that bad boy all over the USA in my little quick zip belly pack and no one ever suspected.
I have owned maybe a dozen Walther PP, PPK and PPK/s in my life. All of them were in .32 auto except for one .22LR and one .380.
The only one to give any trouble was the PPK/s in .380 and I hate to say it but it was made in the USA. All the PP’s in .32 were German police trade ins. They were really nice shooters.
I did have a tiny TPH in .22LR. It was also made in the U.S. and it jammed about every other shot. It was unusually accurate tho.
When my bride was looking for a handgun, she REALLY wanted a Beretta in .40 S&W (the M9 clone). She didn’t find it, so we bought a Px4 in .40.
The M9’s are very capable pistols. Usually work, built well, but the biggest issue is that they are in 9mm.
I think something in .40 will be chosen. More powerful than the 9, not as intimidating as the .45.
i don’t approve of anything o does. i lkie my cougar .45 pietro baretta
i like both of my baretta’s ,380 and my .45 cougar ( they don’t make them anymore.) heavy but accurate.
Obama is very good at raising money for the DEMOCRAT BROTHERHOOD and conning Speaker Boehner into giving YOUR tax dollars to Obama to freely spend as he wishes.
A perfect example of Obama’s wish to “Fundamentally transform the United States of America” is the issuance of pink slips to 500 US Army Majors currently on the battlefield, while trying to spend more taxpayer dollars on a new small arms system for a down-sized Army that is being told by Obama, that “there will be NO US boots on the ground in any foreign whack-a-mole-conflict.”
Like the Obama-enabler that he has always been, Speaker Boehner will issue the required blank check to Obama to replace and then not use this new weapons system.
The Cougar is now made in Turkey. The Beretta version is no longer made (I bought one when I heard they were going to Turkey) but the mags are still available and I hear that MecGar makes a good substitute mag. You are correct regarding the kudos for the Cougar .45. It is a great platform.
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My buddy down your way can’t purchase the new Ruger for the same reasons.
Damn shame what has happened to California. It was a paradise when I moved there, San Diego area, over 50 years ago. Now ... not so much.
Montana would welcome you.
Authentic silliness Mikey. I love it!
Hollowpoints are banned under the Hague Convention of 1899. It would be more productive to just declare that we will no longer subscribe to these treaties.
Only if the enemy treat their own wounded. If the enemy leaves their wounded for the US side to treat, and then release after they're all better, then it's a net loss for our side unless the wounds produced will permanently cripple them.
yes it rotates not alot. but the initial blowback is where it rotates. i’m not that good a marksman, but is is fun to watch.
More likely find their way into Mexico.
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