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1 posted on 08/04/2014 4:32:26 AM PDT by abb
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2 posted on 08/04/2014 4:33:34 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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”Net neutrality” certainly has all the wrong friends . . .

3 posted on 08/04/2014 4:36:53 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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I don't have to penetrate into the labyrinthine fever-swamps of bureaucratese that no doubt swirl around this debate to know exactly what will be its outcome:

  1. a tax on internet traffic,
  2. control of political speech on the internet,

Each will start off very small, but within five or ten years will become the dominant characteristics of the internet ecosystem.

4 posted on 08/04/2014 4:43:34 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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The “sausage” aspect of the Internet is everything beyond the last-mile providers that we all connect to. Sausage is pretty good, but the process of making it happen is ugly. The peering system is working sufficiently well, although there are some problems - just ask Verizon customers about Netflix performance.

Where net neutrality is needed is for the last-mile providers like Comcast, Time Warner and Verizon. Until their monopoly is broken, which doesn’t look to be happening so far, they have potentially far too much power over our Internet experience. The real crisis for them is customers finding enough video content on the Internet to “cut the cable” and stop paying for cable TV.

In a perfect world, there would be ISP competition here as there is (ironically) in Europe. Then, if you didn’t like the way Verizon is “shaping” your traffic, you could just switch providers. I hope something changes to allow this (airborne wireless might be one way) but it looks like it’ll be quite a while before it happens.

We’re all paying good money to access the Internet, enough so the “last mile” providers make a handsome product. We need some kind of club to make sure they provide equal (neutral) access to the entire Internet. It should be up to us how we use it, not them.


8 posted on 08/04/2014 5:03:26 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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12 posted on 08/04/2014 5:41:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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There is nothing wrong or "unfair" in ISP's partitioning the available bandwidth so that the system runs smoothly, or prioritizing different kinds of traffic for the same reason.
There is plenty wrong in government bureaucrats micromanaging technology.
It's a solution looking to create problems to justify the government solution.
Once you start to enforce "equality" or "access" based on political considerations it's going to be miserable for everyone.

13 posted on 08/04/2014 5:42:10 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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18 posted on 08/04/2014 9:40:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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There are a couple of things going on with this 'net neutrality' crap.

First, the internet at the level of the interaction between consumers and ISP is built on the same concept as fractional banking. You may well be paying for 10 mbps downloads, but if you actually have the audacity to actually use that bandwidth on a regular basis, the ISP believes you are 'abusing' your bandwidth. I'm quite sure that the Zeugma household is ranked among these, because my wife pretty much lives on Netflicks, and I do a bit of bittorrent to support the distribution of Linux distributions. The ISPs are still pissed off about losing per-byte charging back in the day. They had to give it up, because some ISPs were offering "unlimited" downloads, and otherwise they couldn't compete. However, because they are basically over-subscribing their customers, they are seeing pressure because people are actually starting to use the bandwidth they are paying for. Used to be, the average person would use a small fraction of that bandwidth. Every year the per-person data usage increases, and thus eats into their cushion, and forces them to add/upgrade hardware to keep up.

They really prefer things the way they were, but there really isn't any going back.

Another issue is that you have a few high-bandwith applications that are consuming a 'disproportionate' amount of bandwidth, like the aforementioned Netflicks. The ISPs would really like to be able to charge more for that, as this would have a two-fold benefit to them. It would depress, to a certain extent, requests for that bandwidth as it costs more, and they'd also be generating additional revenue.

The problem with this, is that Netflicks is already paying for its bandwidth.  Anyone who doesn't think so needs to clue me into the bandwidth fairy that magically provides OC48+ links for free.  If they weren't paying to transmit whatever bandwidth it is that they actually use, I can guarantee you that wouldn't be getting it. The ISPs are essentially wanting to resurrect the good old days of the cellphone carriers, back when they got to charge both sides of the call for the same conversation. That was a sweet deal for both telco and cell carriers.

Yet another issue here is that there are some rather huge ISPs like comcast and ATT that would love to be the ones generating the content  and collecting the eyeball revenue instead of Netflicks and Youtube (Google). The confilct of interest here is plain.

Finally, many of the ISPs also have more or less a monopoly position in many markets. I know that where I live, Verizon would really love to be able to roll out FIOS to our town, but because of monopoly arrangements, they are not able to. This is actually a relic of both the old telco and cable monopolies, so the playing fields as far as the "free market" is far from level in many, if not most instances. That's not to mention the monopoly positions that exist at the big POPs like MAE and MAW

Net neutrality is basically the way the internet was designed, and peering agreements reflect this. It has worked pretty well so far. I say we keep it as it is.

 

 

 

19 posted on 08/04/2014 11:17:06 AM PDT by zeugma (Islam: The Antidote for civilization)
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