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You’re old enough to know better than that. You know what the cold war was like and how China counter-balanced the U.S.S.R. Why would you even say that?

That was the pitch all righty; I just don't think it was true (especially coming from Kissinger). China and the USSR were already on the outs, even without us.

Okay China was on the outs with Russia. So you do agree that it was an oportune time to tap into the angst between the two. Can you please explain to me how a Rockerfeller Republican "Kissinger" supposedly screwed that up?

No matter what you think of Kissinger, I don't see a downside to him helping to open up China. I doubt seriously that you see anything tangible either.

He didn’t institute trade agreements to gift our complete patent database to China, and ship off tens of millions of job to it. He didn’t finance the rise of China to become our main adversary for decades to come?

If you think those goodies weren't discussed early on, then you are more callow than I think you are. We had finished rebuilding Japan and Korea into sinks for fiat money to the point that they were becoming competitors. We needed another "cheap labor pool" to which to export technology, cash in, keep said competitors lean, and go on to the next fiat money sink. Bush tried it in Iraq and failed (if you're wondering what I mean, do a little Googling on "George Herbert Walker"). Africa is next on the list.

So let me get this straight. Kissinger the supposed evil bastard child of Rockerfeller opened up China and laid the groundwork for what followed, then it wasn't acted on for over twenty years? What a great plot. This wouldn't be fodder for a grade "E" movie.

Clinton, Bush II, and Obama did these things. Nixon wasn’t responsible for them.

I think he was. Once it had started there was no stopping it. Whether they were given the secrets or they were stolen is only a difference of timing considering how we handle foreign industrial espionage here.

Trade with China in earnest didn't take place until the 1990s. I'm sorry but this is almost like blaming our Founding Fathers for Obama. Well, they did set up the framework.

There was nothing wrong with opening up China. Who in their right mind in 1972 could forsee Bill Clinton facilitating the handoff of our top secret military technology to China? Look at what you're accusing Nixon of here. There isn't a shred of evidence to prove he foresaw what was coming, due to him opening up China. The idea he was a traitor to our nation on the order of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, it's just preposterous.

I agree that Nixon did some things that were terrible. This sure doesn't fit into that. Say what you want about the man, he did seek any way possible to counter the U. S. S. R. threat at the height of the Cold War. Those are not the actions of a traitor.

I sure can't say that about Clinton or Obama. And quite frankly, I'm not a real big fan of Bush either for what he allowed to take place on his watch.

So you do agree that it was an oportune time to tap into the angst between the two. Can you please explain to me how a Rockerfeller Republican "Kissinger" supposedly screwed that up?

The RINOS put the forces into movement to build up a second adversary when we effectively had but one. That IS what happened you know. So what if it took thirty years?

So you do agree that it was an oportune time to tap into the angst between the two. Can you please explain to me how a Rockefeller Republican "Kissinger" supposedly screwed that up?

The RINOs not only didn't allow tyranny to fail in China, they helped stabilize and build it, just like they did with the Soviets and unlike the way Reagan drove down oil prices to break them. Instead of letting the Russians fail, the RINOS sold them grain. Instead of gaining cuts in strategic capability, they tried only to cap rates of growth. In effect, they propped up our enemies to justify building an maintaining a very expensive war machine.

Showing their gratitude, the Chinese are working with Russia right now to take out the reserve currency status of the dollar which, if successful, would crush our ability to fund our military or get ourselves out of the crushing debt Zero has built. I don't call that a "peace dividend."

No matter what you think of Kissinger, I don't see a downside to him helping to open up China.

Obviously.

You take your standards of legitimacy from Hollywood?

You really have no concept for the timelines upon which our enemies work, nor the depth of perfidy within our own country going all the way back to the founding (there's a reason Aaron Burr shot Hamilton). I'm going to suggest you do a little reading: To Eliminate the Opiate by rabbi Marvin S. Antelman. This process started in Eastern Europe before the 18th Century began.

Giving them our industrial process technologies was dumping the crown jewels of our economy and selling out the American worker, the taxpayers who fund national defense. The guidance technology was just icing on the cake.

Say what you want about the man, he did seek any way possible to counter the U. S. S. R. threat at the height of the Cold War. Those are not the actions of a traitor.

Look, the regulatory monster Nixon made were enough usurpations of powers to have him impeached were it not for a Slave Party Congress that was up to their necks in this kind of corporate corruption. So I'm going to have you read a second book to show that it was well known long before Nixon became President how the socialist corporate foundation regulatory racket worked even then, as written by the chief counsel of the Republican led Congressional committee convened on that very topic: Foundations: Their Power and Influence, by Rene Wormser.

You have a lot to learn.

I was skimming through a book I'd long had for reading today, W. Cleon Skousen's The Naked Capitalist, which is little more than an extended and annotated book review of Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope. Skousen is the author of those "Communist Goals, frequently celebrated here on FR.

In it, one notes an early mention of Harry Dexter White, Undersecretary of Treasury during World War II being outed as a Soviet agent. Although Truman apparently knew White was a Soviet spy BEFORE appointing him, he fired White in the row over the public disclosure. Not long thereafter, White was named to be Executive Director of the IMF. Therewith was a discussion of how the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Mariner Eccles, was already advocating opening up trade with the Chinese Communists, despite the fact that we had been at war with them in Korea. Truman's support was instrumental in their defeat of the Kuomintang.

My point in posting this is that opening trade with China had long been a goal of the financial powers of America as allied with the communist LEFT, both of which had repeatedly betrayed America, and which Nixon HAD to know. The money power of this country has long run both political parties with conservatism as we know it today its mortal enemy.

Nixon was their "right wing" stooge, as the left kept reminding us in their blind flailing over the outing of Alger Hiss (fall guy), thus garnering Nixon grudging conservative support that was used to great effect in building the socialist Federal bureaucracy we face today. It was a cover.