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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Not much there except lots of blather.

Official election? Words that mean nothing. More to the point you are misinformed (BIASED) but that is the least of your problems. In fact most polls (as flawed as they are) point to a distrust of the putschists in Kiev. But more importantly the people themselves want nothing to do the fascists in Kiev. And yes.. given the rebirth of Orthodoxy in Russia and Ukraine I am motivated by my faith.


103 posted on 08/14/2014 2:22:48 PM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchmaker" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: eleni121
In fact most polls (as flawed as they are) point to a distrust of the putschists in Kiev.

Yes, they distrust their government that it will return to Sovietism against their will, contrary to how they voted. They expect Poroshenko to do his job and save Ukraine from Russian aggression, which is what he campaigned and won on, which the majority of the country voted for. That does nothing to support your claim that most people in Ukraine, or even the native Russian speakers, want to be conquered. You want us to dismiss all the polls that show that separatism is only supported by a minority, but you want us to believe from those same polls that distrust of Kiev, like distrust of Congress, must mean they are anti-Ukrainian and want to be conquered by Putin where they would have no vote whatsoever.

But more importantly the people themselves want nothing to do the fascists in Kiev.

Poroshenko isn't a fascist, he is a moderate who founded a moderate Pro-European party, and the Russians even insult him as being a secret Jew, because they are so anti-Fascist you see that they're allowed to be antisemetic. And even Svoboda, which got 1 to 2 percent of the vote, does not campaign on being fascists, and even publicly campaign that they are moderating, though, secretly, you can accuse them of being closet fascists. Their actual platform is actually something like the Democratic party, including increasing minimum wage. They are, however, in a parlaimentary system, going to be represented, whether you like it or not.

113 posted on 08/14/2014 3:49:23 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: eleni121
given the rebirth of Orthodoxy in Russia and Ukraine I am motivated by my faith.

So how's it feel to have a patriarch who is a "former" KGB agent, and fellow congregants who are Communists?

“In the first stages of Zyuganov’s creation of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (not without some participation on my part, as well as Prokhanov…), efforts were made to interpret and conceptually appraise the presence of the national component in the Soviet worldview (National Bolshevism), but this initiative was abandoned by the leadership of the [Communist Party], which had occupied itself with some other matters…. However, on the level of rhetoric and first reactions, Russian Communists in all senses present themselves as confirmed national conservatives – sometimes even as ‘Orthodox Monarchists.’” - Alexander Dugin, The Fourth Political Theory

"The movement's ideology is a mixture of Russian nationalism with communism elements, giving Russia a messianist role in the global scale. Its principles are explained in The manifesto of the movement "Essence of Time".[1]

The manifesto declares that the crash of USSR was a great tragedy, caused specifically by some external "powers" that are now trying to bring Russia to its knees as well. The objective of the movement is to restitute USSR and take revenge on the "powers". Determining the reasons of USSR fall and identity of the "powers" responsible for that is considered key step in this process.

According to Kurginyan, capitalism is inherently incompatible with Russian historical and cultural heritage. Since the fall of USSR in 1991 "the capitalism in Russia has not built anything, and destroyed everything", but, fortunately, after 20 years, Russia slowly starts to "wake up". Fall of the USSR was just a part of a game, played by the capitalist world against "the history and humanity". Kurginyan considers his manifesto to be a new Marx Communist manifesto, analysis of new bourgeoisie, whose nature has evolved since Marx's time.

The movement is grounded in modern philosophy and incorporates the ideas of Karl Marx, Max Weber, Erich Fromm, Antonio Gramsci, Alexander Bogdanov, Viktor Frankl, and others. One of the main principles of the movement's ideology is the ascription of great importance to the human spirit as a philosophical category, which is considered to be linked directly to the question of the ascent of humanity. The project subscribes to conception of above modernity (in Russian сверхмодерн or sverkhmodern), not to be confused with post-modernity, and on this principle hopes to build a new historical project for Russia. The project conceives of a great historical role for Russia in moving the world out of the global crisis of capitalism, based on the country's experience of alternatives to capitalist modernity and so-called post-modernity).

The movement seeks to unite people with socialist and communist political views as well as those with patriotic views and Orthodox Christian values, hoping on this basis to create a spiritual synthesis."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essence_of_Time_(movement)

114 posted on 08/14/2014 3:49:23 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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