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Army Hypersonic Missile Fails in Second Test (Chinese Hypersonic Weapons Worked.)
Washington Free Beacon, Drudge Report ^ | August 25, 2014 5:00 am | Bill Gertz

Posted on 08/25/2014 8:27:59 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE

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To: biff

I’m not saying the S turns were a weapon delivery idea because it would have to land after. The idea is that it was hypersonic and gliding in the atmosphere. I’m not going to look up the details for how high or fast, but they were up there.


21 posted on 08/25/2014 9:53:56 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: biff

The primary reason is to defeat our Anti-Ballistic missile capabilities. That has been stated directly from the Chinese PLA.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3195758/posts


22 posted on 08/25/2014 9:54:37 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: dr_lew
According to the post recently on FR it seems that the glider is boosted to orbital speeds prior to its descent towards its target.

So, it can achieve its speed in such a manner (theoretically), and I may be entirely wrong with my previous post, but I think the theory is not without merit as orbital speed is well above what we would call “hypersonic” in the atmosphere.

Given that, I STILL could be wrong, and I am not adverse to admitting such! :)

23 posted on 08/25/2014 9:57:54 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: huldah1776

B4L8R


24 posted on 08/25/2014 9:58:53 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Pox

OK, I see their wishful thinking but our anti-missile-missile system works on radar and it won’t matter.

I put this into the basket of wishful thinking by the chinks. Of course, you know they have already put men on the moon, don’t you? LOL They are much more creative with their science fiction than the ruskies were.


25 posted on 08/25/2014 10:01:07 PM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: biff
They do have a point with their beliefs. Speed is certainly a very important factor and our anti-missle tech may or may not be able to compensate for such an increase in terminal velocity.

I'm wondering if they are on the right path as laser weapons utilized during the boost phase would make such a platform ineffective anyways.

I suppose it depends on numbers. If you can get several through the boost phase, Hypersonic terminal velocity vehicles would certainly have a better chance to defeat our current generation of anti-missile defenses, but I would hope that DARPA and the government would be working on upgrades or future defenses would take such capabilities into account.

26 posted on 08/25/2014 10:08:30 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Alas, you did not get the joke! ... %100 ... 100$ ... Get it?


27 posted on 08/25/2014 10:17:14 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

I got it, but in fact, I WAS somewhat wrong and hopefully I’ve corrected my mistake. :)


28 posted on 08/25/2014 10:19:22 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: allendale

i’d call it the president dingleberry craps his pants scenario.


29 posted on 08/25/2014 10:26:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Pox

“increase in terminal velocity”

Our systems can take a ballistic missile out. How much faster will their gliders go than that?

Maybe it will be cheaper but I doubt it. They would still have to get to almost orbital altitudes.

Just more red Chinese bluster; “ours is faster, ours goes higher, ours is bigger, ours is stealthier”.

They hope to win by overwhelming numbers, just as they tried in their historical battles. North Korea for example. Our F22 can fight and kill 6 or 7 planes at once but how is it gonna do against 100, 1,000, 10,000? They had those kind of numbers on the ground in Korea but not in the air. Now they have the technology and money to build huge numbers.


30 posted on 08/25/2014 10:39:42 PM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The Russian hypersonic weapon also passed...


31 posted on 08/25/2014 10:44:49 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: biff

Ballistic missiles are easy to spot, after all they come over the horizon and don’t evade. Unlike us, the Chinese have been desperately working on ballistic missile defenses.

A hypersonic missile can come in at a much lower altitude and presents a much smaller window to countermeasures.


32 posted on 08/25/2014 11:16:29 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
"Ballistic missiles are easy to spot, after all they come over the horizon and don’t evade."

Only if you are expecting 1960's era warheads. Current warheads are maneuverable and include junk to spook defensive systems.

Simple maneuverability: Consider a cone, with the axis of rotation straight down the center. Slice the cone about one-quarter or one-third down from the tip, but make the cut line not parallel to the base. As the tip of the cone rotates, the body will no longer be axisymmetric. When this body re-enters the atmosphere, it will veer off a pure ballistic path. I'm sure that current warheads are more sophisticated than that.

33 posted on 08/26/2014 3:46:07 AM PDT by Pecos (Kakistocracy - killing the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Maybe they had it upside down, when they lit the fuse, like the old buzz bombs on the 4th of July when it was too dark to read the directions.


34 posted on 08/26/2014 3:47:56 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

You can learn more from failures than successes.


35 posted on 08/26/2014 3:53:47 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Edison said that a couple times.


36 posted on 08/26/2014 6:39:18 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Ah, I hadn’t heard that, but it makes perfect sense.

That’s something any good engineer understands.


37 posted on 08/26/2014 7:27:57 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Yep, it's definitely about appearances, about "face" with the Chinese...

Smart thing would be to "marvel" at their achievements. Let them feel important - it's their psychological need. In the meantime, I hope we are developing what we need covertly...

38 posted on 08/26/2014 7:31:51 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Pecos

The missile itself doesn’t really maneuver prior to bus separation, though, which is what I’m getting at.


39 posted on 08/26/2014 12:14:41 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: baddog 219

“A space platform rail gun would be much better.... and cheaper.”

Why do you think that? I would think the weight, power generation, and logistics of reloading it with projectiles would make this ultimately more expensive.

I’m interested to hear what you think a cheap version would look like. It could be as simple as sending up a bunch of rods in a barrel, so to speak, where the rods are targetable. Still, weight, etc.


40 posted on 08/26/2014 12:21:46 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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