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To: Hugin
Unfortunately NATO’s illegal wars against Serbia and Libya destroyed our credibility to lecture others on the subject.

Unless one supported those illegal wars in Syria and Libya one does have all the credibility in the world to lecture Putin and Russia on their bloody aggression in Ukraine.

So where's your indignation about what Putin is doing? To be fair, perhaps I missed it. You could set the record straight now.

26 posted on 08/27/2014 10:16:32 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

That’s the failure in logic, right there: if what we did is wrong, then what they are doing is wrong also. If what Russia is doing is “ok,” then what we did is “ok” also.


28 posted on 08/27/2014 11:49:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: FreeReign; Hugin

Let me know when Russia bombs Kiev on Easter day like NATO did to Belgrade and then we can talk apples to apples.


30 posted on 08/27/2014 1:07:45 PM PDT by Mentallo (Better dead than Mohammed.)
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To: FreeReign

I’m not talking about an individual’s credibility. I’m talking about the US government’s credibility. And I didn’t say anything about Syria, although that would have been a mistake as well. I said at the time when Clinton attacked Serbia it was an in your face move against Russia that would come back to haunt us. Russia a long history of backing the Serbs. They went to war on their behalf in WWI. At the time it was a pro-Western Yeltsin, not Putin in charge, and Russian public opinion was very pro-American. Clinton’s was against Serbia was a big part of the change that brought Putin to power.

When I said “unfortunately” we have no credibility I do mean it. I wish we did.

As for Putin, he’s a thug and a nationalist. Trying to get Ukraine into NATO is a mistake and a provocation. How would we react in Mexico signed a military treaty with China or Russia and allowed them to station their forces there?


34 posted on 08/27/2014 1:21:19 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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