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Rotherham sex abuse scandal: we cannot ignore that race played a part in these crimes
The Telegraph ^ | August 27, 2014 | Dan Hodges

Posted on 08/27/2014 12:33:19 PM PDT by Sherman Logan

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To: BroJoeK
Sorry, I don't buy that.

For extremist Muslims, raping and defiling and dominating the dhimmi is a religious duty. It is Right and Proper and the Will of Allah.

The Crips and the Bloods and MS-13 might do such things, but they don't have anything even vaguely resembling a sense of duty about it. Opportunism, sure, but they feel no obligations.

To be sure, these Muslim groups probably tend to become more and more like criminal gangs over time.

41 posted on 08/29/2014 6:50:07 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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Sherman Logan: "Blaming it on the Tories might be the intent, but I really, really don’t think it will work.
The city in question, where the actual decisions not to deal with this were made, is the rough equivalent of a US Democrat single-party system city, except the party is Labour."

I sure hope you're right -- it would be like Rom Emanuel trying to blame Chicago's high murder rate on Republicans in Congress, or better yet, on George W.
Most Americans wouldn't buy it, and that is probably why we don't see it reported on much in "mainstream media".
After all, what's the fun of reporting something which is not Republicans' fault?
So, a thousand blacks can murder each other in Chicago, with less media fuss than one in Ferguson, MO.

Nevertheless, there is nearly always a "blame Republicans" POV which soon makes its way into the "mainstream".

And don't forget, the British government is said to be far more centralized than ours, so nearly every local program takes its orders and funding from the national government.
Seems likely they'll soon find an angle from which to blame PM David Cameron.

Or just maybe, British Labour is trying to pull-a-Hillary and for once get to the right of Conservatives on some social issue?
After all, this is an matter that even the lowest of information British voter can understand, even when presented outside of its politically incorrect context.

Bottom line: this story didn't make sense to me outside some larger context, which I've had to imagine on my own, but suppose now it's pretty close to reality.

42 posted on 08/29/2014 7:04:38 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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Sherman Logan: "To be sure, these Muslim groups probably tend to become more and more like criminal gangs over time."

I'm only hypothesizing that much of what is blamed on Muslims was already going on in those projects before Muslim gangs took over, and was more-or-less tolerated by police.
Political correctness prevented police authorities from seeing the motivational difference in kind, and perhaps even a difference in outcomes for the young women.
Indeed, the absence of drugs in this story makes one wonder if some of these girls might be better off under Muslim "sugar daddies" than under their previous gangsta masters, despite the girls dhimmi status?

So today the entire subculture is exposed to media headlines in an effort to arouse public outcry, outcry which was not there before, but may now lead to serious reforms...

Or may not, may only sell more newspapers.

43 posted on 08/29/2014 7:27:38 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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You are, of course, largely correct. Some of these girls were no doubt willing participants. I also wonder if the “rape” charges might in some of the cases be statutory rape rather than forcible rape.

The lives of young women warehoused in these projects, whether in the USA or UK, are seldom a bed of roses. Physical, sexual and drug abuse are routine for them.

I do suspect, however, that Muslim ideology added a certain something. Dominance over the dhimmi is a Muslim duty. And how better to demonstrate your dominance than by stealing and/or raping his women?


44 posted on 08/29/2014 7:34:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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Sherman Logan: "I also wonder if the “rape” charges might in some of the cases be statutory rape rather than forcible rape."

Indeed, as I read the articles, the biggest charge in most cases is neither "rape" nor "abduction", but rather something called "grooming".
Grooming? What is that?

It sort of suggests that these children are not being grabbed off the street, or from some playground, but rather are being treated respectfully enough that not only do they become willing, but also whatever parental & police authorities they have, are also willing to look the other way.

Of course all this is speculation, based on what I've read about in this country, speculation made necessary by the fact that political correctness prevents British media from telling us the "real story" or, if you prefer, the "back story" of what's going on there.

In short, it's a total societal breakdown more than it is an assault by young single Muslim men.

45 posted on 08/30/2014 7:35:24 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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I think it’s both. The Muslim rape gangs are taking advantage of the societal breakdown. If society weren’t disintegrating this would have been sorted out decades ago.

But the societal breakdown did not in and of itself incentivize them to form rape gangs. That’s partly natural male piggishness and partly Muslim “it’s my duty to dominate the dhimmi” ideology.

“Grooming” is a method of gaining a child’s or young woman’s trust and affection so she can later be abused. Young girls without an active father figure are obviously most vulnerable. It’s by no means limited to UK, it’s a universal tactic where sheer open force is inadvisable. It’s the way pimps have always worked, recruiting vulnerable young girls.

There’s a pretty good article about it in Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming


46 posted on 08/30/2014 8:00:44 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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You’re right that Rotherham, and most of the other places nearby where this has been going on for decades, are Labour majority cities. (Although the BNP for a while, and now UKIP are starting to challenge this.)

There’s a particular way that Labour interacts with the Pakistani communities in these areas though, supporting ‘community leaders’ who are corrupt and often outright criminals, in return for ‘getting the asian vote out’

See this local blog (I think the author is disillusioned ex-Labour but they seem to have pretty comprehensive knowledge of the players and politics of it.)

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/labour-biraderi-corruption-and-child-sexual-abuse-joining-the-dots/


47 posted on 08/31/2014 4:47:21 AM PDT by U_Wascal_Wabbit
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