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To: Always A Marine
And the Ukrainians are the good guys, Obama does nothing and won't send them arms. Go figure.

Some of the Ukrainians are good guys, but there is also a large Nazi contingent among the Ukrainian nationalists in the western part of the country.

There are more Nazis in Russia than Ukraine, and it's Putin and Russia that are behaving like expansionist Nazis.

Regardless, my opposition to US/NATO intervention has nothing to do with who is good and bad, but that we are meddling at Russia's backdoor and that this is not our fight.

Actually Russia's "backdoor" borders a sovereign country, in this case Ukraine. They have no right, certainly no inalienable right to invade their neighbor.

If Moscow or Beijing abetted a coup in Mexico City and sought to align Mexico in a hostile treaty alliance against the United States, we would have wasted no time invading in force and installing a friendlier regime along our border.

Stop it. Obama has done next to nothing in Ukraine. Ukraine was NOT joining NATO, although they certainly have the right to if asked. There was no Ukrainian threat to invade Russia. The Ukrainian people certainly had the right to protest against their corrupt former president Yanukovich, whose security force shot and killed about 100 mostly unarmed protestors. Beyond that the interim government is now gone as free elections, which were agreed to by Yanukovich, have now been held.

Unless we are committed to going to war against Russia to guarantee Ukraine's independence from Moscow, we should not commit our prestige and treasure to a wasteful defeat.

We should supply arms to Ukraine. That's what Reagan would have done. It's called peace thru strength. It's a policy that has a history of working.

We should not do what Obama is doing, which is a policy of doing nothing. Appeasement doesn't work.

70 posted on 09/01/2014 10:16:08 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Stop it. Obama has done next to nothing in Ukraine. Ukraine was NOT joining NATO, although they certainly have the right to if asked. There was no Ukrainian threat to invade Russia. The Ukrainian people certainly had the right to protest against their corrupt former president Yanukovich, whose security force shot and killed about 100 mostly unarmed protestors. Beyond that the interim government is now gone as free elections, which were agreed to by Yanukovich, have now been held.

Stop what? Russia is doing EXACTLY what we would do if an outside alliance threatened to expand anywhere in our hemisphere, let alone right on our border. And we have done this many times since the Monroe Doctrine was instituted in 1823. Russia is not going to lose its strategic -- and sole -- warm water port just because Khrushchev gave Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR back in the 1950s. Whether we or the whole world approves or not, Russia is going to secure Crimea to mainland Russia through eastern Ukraine. Ray Charles could see this coming back in February.

76 posted on 09/01/2014 10:42:04 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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