Learning from the 'Wrong Kind of Muslim'

Didn't the Christians lose their rights (Obamacare) on Christmas Eve?

All Muslims support the muzzies who kill and maim. They cannot distance themselves by saying “I’m a good muzzie” and believe in Mohammed and believe it is right to “Kill all the Christians and Jews”..

The fact is, all Muslims believe the same thing. If they truly believed in the same G_D the Jews and Christians believed in, they would disband and join the Church or Synagogue. But they won’t, because Muslims are at war with G_D, and are against G_D’s people.

I believe the Ahmadi are a shining hope for a tolerant and modern Islam.

I don't. The Ahmadis are a non-Arab sect, considered heretical by most other branches of Islam. They do not have anywhere near the sort of financial backing the Saudis give to the fanatic Wahhabi strain of Islam which is busily infecting the UK and the US.

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This is the Discussion on Islam vs. Radical Islam
Many Americans Have Been Waiting To Hear ( 4:51 )

Read this thread.

What You Can’t See on the UN’s Maps of Gaza

Benghazi: The Difference It Makes Is Accountability!

"Sharia" Is Not The "SAME FAITH", and "THE PEACEFUL MAJORITY WERE IRRELEVANT !"

Unusual Answer from Panelist Receives Standing Ovation at Benghazi Coalition Meeting

This is the Discussion on Islam vs. Radical Islam Many Americans Have Been Waiting To Hear

Heritage Foundation Panelist on Radical Islam

I'm a retired air traffic controller/supervisor and I have done official transcripts before.

Full Context: Benghazi Accountability Coalition Event ( 9:17 )

SABA AHMED: As-salamu alaykum. Peace to you all. My name is Saba Ahmed. I'm a Law Student at American University. I am here to ask you a simple question. I know that we portray Islam and all Muslims as bad, but there is 1.8 billion Muslims followers of Islam. We have 8 million plus Muslim Americans in this country, and I don't see them represented here. But my question ishow can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this war? The jihadist ideology that you talk about - it's an ideology. How can you ever win this thing if you don't address it ideologically? CHRIS PLANTE: Frank. FRANK GAFFNEY: Well, um, I'm glad to see you're representing Muslims in this company. Uh, I don't want to speak for anybody else, but I think I can say safely that there isn't anybody on this panel that thinks that all Muslims are the problem. I certainly don't. What we have been trying to help people to understand is the ideology, to use your tern, the doctrine, if you will, uh the program, agenda. I don't know what best way to describe what "Sharia" is. But that's the default line, I think, between Muslims who are … decidedly the problem,because they believe it is "Allah's will", God's will, to impose that will on everybody else, Muslim and non-Muslim, alike, on one hand. And on the other hand, you have lots of Muslims who don't follow that program.They don't even know what it's about, don't speak Arabic, aren't imbued with the traditions of the faith as out of Saudi Arabia, for example. And they are NOT necessarily the problem, at least not yet. But what makes these policy things so important it seems to me, and why it is imperative that we understand it ... It's not just that we don't know that we're fightingan "ideological war" against people who ARE ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED OF THE SUPREMACY OF THEIR IDEOLOGY but because as a practical matter, we're engaged in a situation that is becoming vastly worse in part because we keep embracing people who are imbued with that ideology. This is why I come back to this idea of legitimating and engaging and funding and arming the Muslim Brotherhood. These are exponents of "Sharia". It is part of their agenda, very explicitly, to impose it, as I say, on everyone else. So I thank you for the question and I think we absolutely do need to deal with it as an ideologically war, at least in part or at least understand the the ideology that is driving THE VIOLENT JIHAD ON THE ONE HAND, AND EVERY BIT AS IMPORTANTLY WHAT THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD CALLS THE "CIVILIZATION JIHAD" ON THE OTHER. Many in the government, if they're thinking about this at all, are focused on the sort of dangling, shiny object, dangerous as it is, of "VIOLENT JIHAD". But they're missing ENTIRELY, that other piece that I talked about in connection with Huma Abedin and others, which is … the SUBVERSION, the not-so-much non-violent form of Jihad, as the PRE-VIOLENT FORM OF JIHAD, with which they hope ultimately to take us down just as surely as the others who embrace VIOLENT JIHAD seem to. But at the end of the day, it is something that brings them together, whether it is ISSI, whether it is the Taliban, whether it's Al Qaida, whether it's the Muslim Brotherhood, whether it's dozens of others, IS "Sharia" . And we DO have to get THAT straight. BRIGITTE GABRIEL: Great ,,, Crowd: ( applause) [Video time ( 4:06 )] BRIGITTE GABRIEL: Great question. I am so glad you're here. And I am so glad you brought that up, because this …, because it gives us an opportunity to answer. What I find so amazing is, since the beginning of this panel, which we are here about Benghazi attack against our people; not one person mentioned Muslims, we are here against Islam, or we're launching war against Muslims. We are here TO DISCUSSHOW 4 AMERICANS DIED, and WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS DOING. We are NOT here to bash Muslims. YOU were the one who brought up the issue about 'most Muslims', NOT US. And since you brought it up, allow me to elaborate with my answer. There are 1.2 BILLION Muslims in the world today. OF COURSE NOT ALL of them are radicals. The majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25% according to ALL intelligence services around the world. That leaves 75% of them, ma … a peaceful people. But when you look at 15 to 25% of the world's Muslim population,you're looking at 180 million to 300 million people DEDICATED TO THE DESTRUCTION OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. That is as big of the United States. So why should we worry about the radical, 15 to 25%?BECAUSE IT IS THE RADICALS THAT KILL. BECAUSE IT IS THE RADICALS THAT BEHEAD AND MASSACRE. When you look throughout history, when you look at all the lessons of history,most Germans were peaceful. Yet the Nazis drove the agenda. And as a result, 60 million people died, almost ah, … 14 million in concentration camps. 6 million were Jews. The peaceful majority were IRRELEVANT. When you look at Russia, most Russians were peaceful as well. Yet the Russians were able to kill 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. When you look at China for example, most Chinese were peaceful as well. Yet the Chinese were able to kill 70 million people. The peaceful majority were IRRELEVANT. When you look at Japan prior to World War II, most Japanese were peaceful as well. Yet, Japan was able to butcher its way across Southeast Asia, killing 12 million people, mostly killed with bayonets and shovels. The peaceful majority were IRRELEVANT. On September 11th in the United States, we had 2.3 MILLION Arab Muslims living in the United States. It took 19 hijackers,19 radicals,to bring America down to its knees, destroy the World Trade Center, attack the Pentagon, and … and kill almost 3000 Americans that day. THE PEACEFUL MAJORITY WERE IRRELEVANT ! SO FOR ALL OUR POWERS OF REASON, and US TALKING ABOUT moderate and peaceful Muslims, I'm glad you're here. But WHERE ARE THE OTHERS SPEAKING OUT? AND SINCE YOU ARE THE ONLY MUSLIM REPRESENTATIVE … Crowd: ( overwhelming applause) BRIGITTE GABRIE: ( speaking to the large crowd and waving her hands down to lower the noise) Save your applause until the end. Crowd: ( overwhelming applause) BRIGITTE GABRIEL: Thank you. Crowd: ( overwhelming applause) BRIGITTE GABRIEL: (Laughing) Thank you. AND SINCE YOU ARE THE ONLY MUSLIM REPRESENTATIVE IN HERE, YOU TOOK THE LIME LIGHT INSTEAD OF SPEAKING ABOUTWHY our government … And I assume You're an American? [Ahmed responded yes.] BRIGITTE GABRIEL: You're an American Citizen? [Ahmed responded yes.] BRIGITTE GABRIEL: So, as an American citizen, you sat in this room, and INSTEAD of standing up as saying a question, or asking something about our 4 Americans that died and what our government is doing to correct the problem, YOU STOOD THERE TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT PEACEFUL, MODERATE MUSLIMS. I wish you brought 10 with you TO QUESTION THEM ABOUT WHAT, HOW WE CAN HELP OUT GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBLE It is timewe take political correctness and THROW IT IN THE GARBAGE CAN WHERE IT BELONGS, and STOP CALLING IT "SAME FAITH" . [Video time ( 8:00 )] Crowd: ( Shouts of "Yeah" and overwhelming applause) CHRIS PLANTE: And they'll be refreshments afterwards. Crowd: ( Laughter and overwhelming applause) CHRIS PLANTE: (to Clare Lopez) Ah, did you want to respond to the ah … ? CLARE LOPEZ: (Shaking her head no) I don't want to. CHRIS PLANTE: You think, ah (laughing) you think that … another time . CLARE LOPEZ: (Shaking her head no) I can't follow that. CHRIS PLANTE: ( Laughing) ( Pointing to Saba Ahmed) You had a follow-up that you'd ah … I'd uh … Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. [Video time ( 8:31 )] (Video of part of the large crowd and Saba Ahmed asking question) SABA AHMED: … A comment. Thank you for your responses. And I do really hope that other Muslims will start showing up at these conservative forums. But, you know, as a peaceful … ah, American Muslim I would like to think that I'm not that irrelevant. I would like, I'm just as much an American and Im very deeply saddened about the lives that were lost in Libya. And I hope that we will find justice for them and their families and … But I don't think that this war can ever be won BY JUST THE MILITARY. You have to address the war … You have to bring the Muslims to the table TO ADDRESS THIS. CHRIS PLANTE: I think that … I think everyone agrees that it can't be won JUST by the military, and I that everyone has said that. You, … Can you tell me WHO the head of the uh, Muslim Peace Movement IS? SABA AHMED: Huh, I guess that's me right now, sir. (she's smiling) Thank you. CHRIS PLANTE: Uh, yeah, well uh … (smiling) Thank you. (Crowd clapping)

I don’t understand this right muslim, wrong muslim, moderate muslim, muslim...
Do they not all follow Islam? Islam is a death cult. You can call them all different names but they are all following a religion that teaches on death and destruction.

They all march to the same drumbeat sounding from the Koran, that clearly commands the beheading of infidels.

But somehow, our MSM and congress critters, for PC reasons, totally ignore that fact.

None of them dare to touch on the heart of the matter but they all continue to talk in circles.

It’s the organized religion problem. If you join any organized religion, you didn’t you’re personal responsibility for your religious position. All you have to do is point to the big book of “what we believe,” and hide behind it, take refugee in it, call it what you will. But the main idea is that obedience to it, rather that taking personal responsibility for each spiritual or religious position, becomes your focus. Deviate on even one issue, and the rest of your entire life is irrelevant - you are a “heretic.” And in any religion, once you are deemed a heretic you have lost your humanity and are subject to murder.

So Muslims can no more give up the enslaving/killing part of Islam than a Christian, Catholic, Hindu, Jew or Buddhist can decide what they will accept and not accept without begging called a heretic. The difference is that while the other faiths used to kill for heresy and now resort to social rejection and abuse, Islam will still actually hunt you down and physically kill you for it.

On the other hand, like other religions, Islam is also an entire society and way of life. So giving it up completely is equal to any other religious person having to give up their religion and social lives over a particular issue. Granted, giving it up over that mass murder thingy seems pretty damn reasonable for a Muslim. But total loss and rejection for lack of complete conformity is also heavily practiced in Christianity as well.

IMO, this dynamic is what has created the liberal backlash against Christianity in the West, too. The moment you draw a line that requires the loss of someone’s entire social, familial and religious life, you create an enemy for the rest of their lives. I’m not saying their aren’t issues that require such draconian actions. But I am saying that especially in religions based on the teachings of love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ, that level of punishment has been used not only far too often, but so recklessly and abusively that it has provided a major philosophical and emotional component of the self-destructive American Left.

Now take the level of rage that dynamic creates in such a non-physical application, and apply it to a religion that openly demands death to unbelievers, slavery status and genital mutilation of women, honor killings of family members and which is literally waging war against the entire world to achieve nothing less than absolute totalitarian domination, and it is going to be pretty hard to get “peaceful” Muslims to date dump Islam. But more, it’s going to be hard to get them to see the demand they do so as anything other than sheer hypocrisy from a Christian or member of any other religion.

These are distasteful thoughts. But I believe they describe actual dynamics that need to be addressed, otherwise all parties will just simmer against each other through the smiles and, at the very least, find no common ground.

Please remember.

Muslims are well know for lying about their faith.

MUSLIMS are allowed to LIE and deceive NON MUSLIMS, if it benefits or protects ISLAM. Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie. Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves." Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers. Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths" Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21) Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose. Posted by Atheist

For a better understanding of the issue, read HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ). then watch William Federer explain it, from Jan. 25, 2012 at CC Chino Hills, CA. It's a MUST WATCH for everyone,Christians, Athiests and even Muslims!

www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama

(I apologize for my misspellings. I am struggling against an evil auto-correct and I don’t have it tamed yet.)

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