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Don't let me be last Queen of Scotland: Monarch in talks with PM over UK break-up
UK Mirror ^ | September 7, 2014 | Jason Beattie and Victoria Murphy

Posted on 09/08/2014 5:57:51 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: HamiltonJay

I’ve read opposing claims about the necessity of Scotland adopting the Euro if it joins the EU, and I don’t know which to believe. In any case, as the EU just said, Scotland would have to reapply as an independent country for EU membership; it doesn’t simply convey from its prior association with the UK.


21 posted on 09/08/2014 7:51:14 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: C19fan

this story is crap.

long time ago, 1990 era,
people said the Baltic states could not make it
as independents


22 posted on 09/08/2014 7:52:53 AM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Jim Noble
A lot of grief in the world could be spared if self-determination was allowed. Ireland is much happier since that country gained independence, as are the constituent nations of the former Yugoslavia. Our government is inconsistent in these matter, favoring self-determination for Croatia and Kosovo in the 1990s and opposing it for the Kurds in the 2000s and the Russian areas of Ukraine in this decade. While Wilsonian idealism for national independence was misguided, the Austro-Hungarian, Russian, and Ottoman Empires were strained because of ethnic tensions and various unhappy minorities. The solution to the breakup of the empires, the creation of patchworks of incompatible nationalities or religious groups, such as Iraq, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia, was ill conceived.

As for Scotland, the Jacobites and the Highlanders (Gaelic and in some cases Catholic) were quite unhappy with the Act of Union. Their rebellions were crushed by the English and the Lowlanders, who are of Anglic origin, or at least Anglicized Celts, and many of the survivors were exiled, some to slavery, others to North America.

23 posted on 09/08/2014 7:57:27 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

I was in Scotland last month and the vast majority of people I talked to were for independence. They know it will be rough but they would rather be run by their own idiots than the ones in Westminster.


24 posted on 09/08/2014 8:05:28 AM PDT by pikachu (After Monday and Tuesday, even the calender goes W T F !)
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To: C19fan

I, too, think the Scots should vote for independence.
If I recall correctly, our own country was told it couldn’t make it without England and the crown running the show. And also, many colonialists were against independence and ratted out their patriot neighbors to the lobster backs.
I’d say, up until 2008, we’ve done pretty damn well with independence.


25 posted on 09/08/2014 8:59:13 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: C19fan

And I’d also say independent Scots should charge the Queen rent for Balmoral and Hollyrood House.
That should help with any deficit....


26 posted on 09/08/2014 9:00:54 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: riverdawg

Yes, it needs to apply, and Britain was given that LB exemption or whatever it was, Scotland won’t be, it will not inherit Britain’s exemption and won’t be given one.

As I said, I am not up on the details, but this, to me, comes across as not all that well thought out.... but what do I know.


27 posted on 09/08/2014 9:35:15 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Jim Noble

Why shouldn’t the people of Scotland get to decide for themselves about who will govern them?

The same reasoning I use to support state secession if it were wished for here in the USA.


28 posted on 09/08/2014 9:43:57 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: C19fan

Me, I’m a REPUBLICAN. In case you republicrats have forgotten, this means I’m ANTI-MONARCHIST and ANTI-EMPIRE by definition. Long live a free Scotland, period!


29 posted on 09/08/2014 9:57:25 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: HamiltonJay
The “Yes” proponents, especially Salmond, have been minimizing the many difficulties (fiscal, monetary, and other) an independent Scotland would face. If independence does prevail, there may be significant “buyer's remorse” among the Scots after a few years.

As for EU membership, it is not at all clear that Scotland would have an easy entry and, for that matter, it's not clear how much Scotland would gain from it.

30 posted on 09/08/2014 10:40:50 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Scotland is not a colony, it is a fully integrated member of the UK and its citizens are equal (perhaps even better represented) than the English.

As with you, the yes campaign is based on romantic idealism rather than reality, which is a rather leftist tendency.


31 posted on 09/08/2014 5:50:30 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Jim Noble

“That being the case, it is absurd that 9% of the UK population can dissolve the union over the objections of the remaining 91%.”

Whatever you say, King George.


32 posted on 09/08/2014 5:52:17 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: UKrepublican

You do realise that this is just the beginning, right? Wales would be pressed to follow and northern Ireland will be partitioned. Finally, northern England with its Labour base will feel more alienated and leave. It would end up just Wessex Essex Sussex and home counties


33 posted on 09/10/2014 10:18:03 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Jim Noble

Was romantic nationalism German (Prussian) or French revolution derived?


34 posted on 09/10/2014 10:21:41 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Red Badger

The usa is much different. This is no starting point for us secessionism


35 posted on 09/10/2014 10:22:41 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

All the UK would have to do to retain Scotland would be to pay all the pubs to remain open and on the house throughout election day. No one would go to work or to the polls, and some of the money they’d save from not paying for their drinks would wind up folded up in the top of the prostitutes’ stockings.

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36 posted on 09/13/2014 10:52:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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