Is it moral to invade weaker nations and annex their territory? Yes or no.
I give Abe credit for knowing it would be treated the same, giving him his pretext while Congress was gone.
Maybe nuance escapes you, but there's a difference beween firing a shot across the bow of a ship and shelling United States fort into surrendering.
He certainly agrees with Lincoln that secession is unacceptable and needs to be put down by force.
Which is why Putin is supporting the separatists in Ukraine. Got it.
King George III agrees. Brezhnev too. And Putin.
Not one nation recognized southern independence. What does that tell you?
11 states were missing from that Congress but there’s little surprise that the ones that remained rubber stamped what Lincoln wanted.
I always love the Lost Causer argument that they were somehow being denied representation after they walked out. It's right up there with the "that crafty Lincoln tricked us into firing at Ft. Sumter" argument.
They would have been slow learners if they missed the message when Abe had the Maryland legislature arrested.
You seem to have trouble with time lines. Congress' authorization was over a month before the Maryland arrests.
“Is it moral to invade weaker nations and annex their territory? Yes or no.”
When Lincoln did it? No. Dixie had a large population who had voted to be independent. Lincoln ignored their right to self determination.
When Polk conquered the American Southwest? Yes, it was virtually uninhabited. There were maybe a dozen settlements in the entire territory. Santa Fe, Tucson, San Diego, San Jose, Los Angeles, Santa Cruz, San Bernardino, San Francisco, Monterey. The Apache and Commanche had kept Mexicans below the Rio Grande.
Aztlan reconquistas consider it immoral because their allegiance is to Mexico. You are welcome to side with their Lost Cause if you want. But Mexico was paid $15 million for the territory in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
“Maybe nuance escapes you, but there’s a difference beween firing a shot across the bow of a ship and shelling United States fort into surrendering.”
No nuance needed here. Star of the West was hit by three shells after the first shot across her bow.
“Which is why Putin is supporting the separatists in Ukraine. Got it.”
Putin is trying to force Ukraine to return to Russia. As Abe forced the Confederacy to return to the union.
“Not one nation recognized southern independence. What does that tell you?”
It tells me that you think “world opinion” is all important.
“I always love the Lost Causer argument that they were somehow being denied representation after they walked out. It’s right up there with the “that crafty Lincoln tricked us into firing at Ft. Sumter” argument”
Ignore the voices in your head. I didn’t say that the Confederate States were denied representation. I said that the states left in Congress were unlikely to oppose Lincoln especially considering his policy of jailing those who opposed his war making.
“You seem to have trouble with time lines. Congress’ authorization was over a month before the Maryland arrests.”
In that case the jailing of Maryland’s elected government in August wouldn’t have put fear into opponents of Lincoln.
Well it wouldn’t have except that it was the culmination of what Lincoln had been doing since May when he arrested John Merryman and ignored a writ of habeus corpus issued by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.