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To: GraceG

A Jewish shop can certainly refuse to make a bust of Hitler — for anyone.

A Muslim- or Orthodox Jewish-owned baker certainly CANNOT refuse to make a gay wedding cake in places where civil rights laws extend to gays. If gays choose to let Muslims or Orthodox Jews discriminate against them, that’s the gays’ problem. It doesn’t give impunity to the Christians.

I certainly don’t forget that much civil rights laws were about the government’s discriminatory conduct. However, that’s an entirely separate analysis from the civil rights laws applicable to private persons and businesses, and the extension of those laws in this context are quite clear.

Executive summary — Christian business people who believed there would be any sort of “conscience” exception to gay rights laws were stupid to think so.


31 posted on 09/29/2014 5:48:38 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: only1percent
"gay wedding cake"

Define that, please.

Is it a cake just like every other cake in the catalogue?

If so, then fine, discrimination.

BTW, why CAN'T a Jewish shop refuse to make a Hitler cake?

Tell me the legal reason that they shouldn't be forced to, yet a Christian baker SHOULD.

34 posted on 09/29/2014 6:06:19 PM PDT by boop (I was unaware that beating up people is wrong. Until the NFL seminar told me.)
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To: only1percent
Executive summary — Christian business people who believed there would be any sort of “conscience” exception to gay rights laws were stupid to think so.

When I ran a custom publishing business, we turned away customers for all kinds of reasons having to do with my personal morality. We handled no sex-related advertising, no gambling or casino advertising, no alcohol-related promotions. A customer asked us to photograph a funeral. No. We were asked to depict a naked child riding a dolphin in the waves. No. One customer brought in a brochure and logo they liked and asked us to copy it. We refused. They were angry; but we were not about to pirate someone else's work. There are lots of other publishers who would have gladly done any of these things. If one of these customers had tried to sue over, it, they wouldn't have succeeded. The gaystoppo is solely sociopolitical, anti-first amendment and fascist; it is not about free market capitalism or access.

41 posted on 09/29/2014 7:21:03 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (S.I.N. = Systematic Inversion of Norms)
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