Posted on 10/01/2014 6:09:50 AM PDT by Prophet2520
... After the first patient — a dying Liberian-American — flew into Lagos on July 20, Ebola spread to 20 other people there and in a smaller city, Port Harcourt.
They have all now died or recovered, and the cure rate — 60 percent — was unusually high for an African outbreak.
Meanwhile, local health workers paid 18,500 face-to-face visits to repeatedly take the temperatures of nearly 900 people who had contact with them. The last confirmed case was detected on Aug. 31, and virtually all contacts have passed the 21-day incubation period without falling ill.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Well, gee whiz, the crisis is over. I’ll certainly sleep better tonight knowing that...
“What about everybody else on the plane breathing the same air he was breathing?”
EBOLA IS NOT AIRBORNE!
yet. Mutations could theoretically get it there somewhere in the future though.
“Have they tried injecting blood from any survivors into ill patients to see if it increases the percentage of survivors?”
Yes they have, and that is considered one of the most effective treatment possibilities, but not considered a cure, only a treatment.
There’s not a lot of walking room in the aisles.
...is like, "the White House is a secure facility"
Cite reference/proof, please, or tone down propaganda.
‘Propaganda’?
Really?
Because you can’t be bothered to keep up with current events or search for things yourself? Lame.
If you’d bothered to read the surveillance thread you’d already know the answer:
http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-isolates-hospital-lagos-obama-briefed-ebola-outbreak-072439432.html
“”The private hospital was demobilised (evacuated) and the primary source of infection eliminated. The decontamination process in all the affected areas has commenced,” Lagos state health commissioner Jide Idris told a news conference. He said the hospital would be closed for a week and the staff would be closely monitored.”
By the way. The hospital in Lagos was actually close for SIX weeks after the Sawyer episode. It was ordered reopened by the Nigerian Federal Government in early September.
The one week closure was a rather optimistic initial assessment.
Looked at the CDC site yesterday, they report a 51% kill rate
EBOLA IS NOT AIRBORNE!
yet. Mutations could theoretically get it there somewhere in the future though.
A semantics dance.
CDC has claimed it is transmitted aerosol. The virus uses the floating in the immediate vicinity micro-water droplets from sneezing, coughing, and lakes of explosive diarrhea or projectile vomit as a vehicle to enter the next victim.
Yes, fluids can be propelled through the air. But it is different if you are sitting next to the guy and he sneezes on you, than having to worry about sitting ten seats away like you would have to worry about an airborne virus.
I think that obama should visit the patient and shake hands with him to show the outbreak is over.
The first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States told health care workers on his initial hospital visit that he had recently been in an area affected by the deadly disease, but that information was not widely shared, a hospital official said Wednesday.Nigeria is irrelevant.Thomas Eric Duncan went to a Dallas emergency room Friday and explained that he was visiting the U.S. from Liberia. He was sent home with antibiotics, according to his sister, Mai Wureh.
Regardless, it is not my responsibility to go finding citations for your definitive statements when all other data is coming from questionable sources (government, media, etc.). Note that I included my references...
You accused me of ‘propaganda’ for stating, truthfully, that Nigeria completely shut down the hospital that Patrick Sawyer went to.
I pointed out that it was NOT ‘propaganda’, but in fact truth.
Nigeria isn’t ‘eat up with’ PC and did what they felt they needed to do to stop the outbreak. Including stopping flights from the affected countries.
And, BTW, Sawyer wasn’t exactly truthful on admission to the hospital in Lagos initially. Only several days later when they finally ran an ebola test because all the OTHER tests they’d run were negative did they find out he’d come from Liberia.
Our ‘elites’ will happy let this disease run wild in this country BEFORE they begin doing ‘unPC’ things to stop it.
BTW, this whole thread was an article in the NYTimes about the Liberian case in LAGOS NIGERIA and how the outbreak from THAT runner was stopped.
Nigeria shut down the hospital the runner went to. Totally. For at least six weeks.
Presbyterian in Dallas is still open.
Nigeria shut down ALL flights from the affected countries. We’re still issuing visas to them.
No. Please put reading glasses on.
My words: Cite reference/proof, please, or tone down propaganda.
Your statement 'is' propaganda without citation, which you then provided. Regardless, he was in the hospital for 5 days before they shut it down. The fact they shut is down is argumentative, as he arrived in-country and collapsed with symptoms. Just as the guy in Dallas arrived, went to the hospital, got sent home and 2 days later was readmitted. Nigeria may play a good game publicly, but they still let a man into the country from an infected host country (like the US)...not very dutiful when there's an outbreak almost literally next door.
Keystone cops. Just like Secret Service, CDC, et al.
Your comment, Our ‘elites’ will happy let this disease run wild in this country BEFORE they begin doing ‘unPC’ things to stop it.
I agree 100%. The propaganda's running fast & thick. Like I commented: I may be a bit more sensitive to such statements, but your phrasing was conclusive but, in fact, the action of closing the hospital was incidental to the already-infected patient having been admitted to the country and in the hospital for a week.
I admit it: My hackles are up (on all counts).
If we were to follow Nigeria’s lead, now that we know this guy is ebola positive, Presbyterian would be shut down.
It isn’t.
Nigeria WANTED to stop the outbreak.
We are keystone cops in comparison.
Regardless, I got back to my other comment: Keystone cops.
Then comes CYA.
Then what happens? Oh, they might actually tell people what to do to prevent the spread.
I sent a message to someone earlier this morning that stated,
The hygiene situation in this country is pathetic. If it gets here, we WILL have an outbreak.We agree on more than I think either of us realize...but I'm busy this afternoon and will have to catch up this evening...it's hit n run news on FR...so hopefully nothing real serious happens between now & then...I see people nearly every day fail to wash their hands coming out of a restroom. People walk down the sidewalk, store aisles, malls and openly cough with no concern to hygiene or spreading contact via touch or sputum.
We're forced to use reusable grocery bags. Checkers handle these bags of questionable cleanliness. They then handle the next person's food and bag(s).
The probability of creating an outbreak as a result of DOWNPLAYING this, rather than being honest with the public and doing EVERYTHING to prevent it getting to the US is VERY HIGH. The public message should be basic hygiene reinforcement and basic flu season precautions. It's the incubation/infectious period before showing symptoms that make this so dangerous.
This article is interesting
and merits comparison to our current age for reasons ranted about prior. We're lucky it's not spread by birds/pigs/rats/etc. But it may not matter. It 'is' school season and we have both the Enterovirus outbreak and now a possible Ebola situation.
They never should have brought those infected 'doctors' to CONUS for treatment (should have been a hospital ship) and flights, connecting OR direct, from Africa should not come direct to the US without special quarantine procedures.
I respect your hard work that has gone into this, especially your work on the surveillance thread. If this were a sane and PC free world, what would the correct steps be to take here and now in light of the Dallas case?
I was actually paying attention to the Nigerian media (and social media) during the whole Sawyer thing. I lived there about 40 years ago and have a fondness for the people and still have a few friends there.
The Nigerians were ULTRA careful with everything about this disease. There was NO cavalier treatment or attitude. Especially once their medicos became ill and started dying. Even the janitor at MMA who cleaned up after Sawyer became ill and died. Last I heard his wife was under quarantine/observation. I haven’t heard if she passed away or not. Hopefully her hubby’s uniform was taken care of by some service associated with the airport and she wasn’t exposed to it that way.
We would never shut a whole hospital over a single patient. Which is why we aren’t as serious about stopping the outbreak as the Nigerians were.
And they took him straight from the airport to a private hospital and then into a private room. His exposure to an ER or other patients was at a minimum compared to the Dallas patient.
And they took a LOT of flak for shutting down air travel to the countries affected. They basically gave WHO the finger.
I can see the TSA agent that fondled this patient using the same pair of gloves on the next 100 victims in line...so we aren’t much better hygiene wise either. Especially since the infective dose is like 1-10 virons.
No argument, and my principle focus with that statement. But the Nigerian government is only reacting. If the guy in Dallas dies, I fully expect they in Dallas (CDC or whoever) may 'react' in-kind as well...
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