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To: TomasUSMC

Sure, that would work fine. “Convert to democracy or we will kill you”. Is this is your line of argument?

Islam spread throughout history because reluctant converts were simply killed, their churches razed, and mosques built. There’s nothing voluntary about Islam.

There was massive discussion of whether to leave the emperor in place in Japan after WW2 (Tojo was the prime minister, not the emperor, and was hanged for war crimes) and ultimately it was decided to permit the emperor to remain but that a separation of church and state was enforced and later became a mandated constitutional change. The emperor was relegated to a purely ceremonial figure. Japan has an emperor today. You never hear about him.

“It is a waste of time to try and help Islamic Countries when they mandate in their Constitution “ No Law Shall Contradict Islam”....as is the case with Iraq.”

I don’t understand your line of argument. The Iraqi constitution is a mish-mosh of a self-contradicting document that is essentially meaningless, granting ultimate authority simultaneously to Islam and “democracy” which is impossible. If “no law shall contradict Islam”, then their constitution is by definition subservient to their religion, Islam, and any constitution we might have imposed or suggested or they came up with on their own would have, just as I said, contradicted Islam. It *might* have been possible to have secured a segment of Iraqi society that wanted a secular government, but I maintain that the only way this could occur was indeed to have a vicious strongman or other regime in place; like a Saddam Hussein or any of the other brutal dictators in these countries. That’s assuming the world is a static place and other forces in that part of the world would sort of sit by and allow a Western style partial democracy take hold. There was possibly a 10% chance of this all working out if we were willing to stay there for 50 years. But with zero history of the kind of civil society that developed in most western nations, it was the longest of long shots.


73 posted on 10/17/2014 8:06:13 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Sure, that would work fine. “Convert to democracy or we will kill you”. Is this is your line of argument?
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Yes. Worked with the Nazi, and the Tojo. And you don’t have to kill them all, just lots of them real fast and the rest figure it out. By the way....Convert or die is exactly what they are telling US.

This is war, play nice and you don’t win.


74 posted on 10/18/2014 2:39:27 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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