Posted on 10/15/2014 2:25:23 AM PDT by zeestephen
One such statement was Freidan's "she has a low-level infection." What in the heck is that? Is that like "only a little bit pregnant?
Another is the oft used "wash your hands" and "can't get that but through DIRECT contact with bodily whatever," implying you had to get right up on them and rub on'em somehow.
Sanjay Gupta had Freidan in an interview and Freidan was going through the spiel and then Gupta says, "and if they sneeze on you?" Turns out there was another part to the "wash your hands" and "bodily fluid contact" - it involves not getting anywhere near the sneeze/cough zone.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/slow-motion-sneezes.htm
I'm confident that CDC has the best medical scientists one can have. I am not confident, however, that the overall approach the CDC (with its insistence in keeping the West Africa travel line open) is taking is solely a medical decision.
The Duncan family are now past the point where they are likely to get sick
What Ducan family?/s
Strike 3...people will be very angry now. This will not bode well for the Open Borders crowd.
Obozo said it’s hard to catch and under control. He needs to personally go and comfort these patients up close and personal.
“Even if a health care worker somehow has contact with bodily fluids, she would still need some kind of break in her skin to let the virus in.”
That’s the reason why AIDS never broke into the public, because it needed blood contact. This doesn’t. More like Poison Ivy, just a touch of the virus is enough.
“Her bodily fluids aren’t on these bricks, so why are they spraying in fully taped hazmat gear? And two healthcare workers now have Ebola, but Duncan’s lover and her family are well after contact with his vomit and feces for days. This makes no sense. It appears the government is lying to us once again.”
Jesse Jackson and that scrawny judge from Dallas haven’t been out in public much either. Note also that it was the TEXAS Department of Health that announced the diagnosis, not the CDC.
“Wasn’t it the UNIONS that supported Barak “Barry” Obama - that allowed this mess to enter out nation??? Had he actually been the leader he said he was - we wouldn’t be talking about this in the first place...”
Not that I don’t agree with you, but I’m not sure Romney would have been much better here or McCain. NEITHER OF THEM have yet called on Obama to keep out West Africans. Only Cruz, and that was just yesterday.
I don’t think so. I mean, about needing to have break in the skin. Many doctors have died, having merely touched a patient.
I don’t think Ebola could survive in Jackson’s body. Too toxic.
“The Duncan family are now past the point where they are likely to get sick. It is possible, but not likely.”
The CDC has then locked away. They won’t “get sick” until after the election, if you know what I mean.
I agree with you. It is looking like it’s at its most infectious in the later stages.
For all healthcare workers…(from the cdc link above)…
112. October 14, 2014 at 2:24 pm ET - Lawrence Herbst
Dear Dr. Freiden,
I recognize that the CDC has no enforcement authority. However its recommendations and guidance obviously carry great weight. As I read the CDC’s recommendations for health care worker precautions in caring for patients with ebola infection, I am concerned regarding the lack of rigor in making specific recommendations for the types of personal protective equipment (PPE) and procedures for doffing and donning PPE. Ebola is a CDC-BMBL Biosafety level-4 agent. CDC should at least be strongly recommending Biosafety-level 3 PPE!
Recommendations posted on the CDC website (most recent dated June 2014) recommend gloves, mask, water resistant gown, face shield. However, given the high infectious titer in fluids (Emesis, urine, fecal, blood) and potential for environmental persistence for days in moist organic matter, as well as low infectious dose, I would hope, that you are upgrading the recommendations and will post them quickly. Meanwhile I respectfully urge the CDC to strengthen its recommendations as follows:
1. All recommendations should be “musts” [statements such as extra precautions might be considered are just useless!]
2. All gloving procedures should be double glove procedures with outer gloves decontaminated (bleach) and removed first and then the last pair removed after all other PPE. Gloves should be taped to the cuffs of the gown.
3. All gowns should be complete coverall types with integrated shoe covers (Tyvek jumpsuits) to cover any clothing that would continue to be worn after leaving the patient’s room!. Why: Because high titer fluids (vomit, blood, urine) splashed onto surfaces (bedrails, floor) may contaminate shoes, pant legs, etc.
4. Masks should be something better than surgeons masks (these are designed to protect the patient from the HCW more than vice versa). N95 at least is designed for wearer protection from droplet exposure (and required for BSL-3 agents!!!- ebola is level 4!!!).
5. All PPE should be sprayed with disinfectant prior to exiting the room. A buddy should be required to assist with donning and doffing PPE. The advantage of a full jumpsuit is that it can easily be rolled inside out (contaminated side inward) as it is removed.
I sincerely hope that the CDC is already making ungraded recommendations based on the unfortunate virus transmissions to nursing staff in Texas and Spain. In my opinion it is not particularly useful to evaluate “accidents” by assuming that an existing SOP would have been 100% effective, if only it had been properly followed. We are wiser to examine this from the perspective that the SOP was followed perfectly and that maybe this virus is not behaving exactly as we expect and then find ways to improve the SOP. Cost of implementing enhanced PPE that is closer in line to BSL-3 / 4 may be more expensive, but those suggested above are not that expensive!
Our understanding of ebola virus transmission is based on only a few decades experience and a small number of self-limiting outbreaks in that time. This outbreak may be different and our PPE recommendations should respect the fact that we do not know everything about this virus and its behavior in human populations.
I don’t think Ebola could survive in Jackson’s body. Too toxic.
On second thought, the Ebola Virus will give Jesse Jackson a free pass.
Professional Courtesy is observed even by the Ebola Virus
oh I agree as well - the entire political spectrum should have raised two kinds of hell about travel restrictions being in place immediately - the fact neither party did is a crime!
Too cold blooded for viruses.
have you seen what the first responders wore?
face shields and suits- no head cover, open necks
and yes there is warning out there about it being airborne- through aerosolized particles of body fluid, even exhaled breath
http://www.avianflutalk.com/cidrap-infectious-aerosolized-particles_topic32646.html
d/oh
I agree...Scientists made the stats based on what they assume....and you know what they say about “assume”...
Everything the infected touches becomes a carrier. Might not live long but the infected isn't standing still but distributing the virus all over the place.
gotta keep laughing,,,
No fighting in the War Room!
IMO, the truth about Ebola, will come out Nov 5 if it comes out at all..
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