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1 posted on 10/22/2014 7:23:19 AM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 10/22/2014 7:24:10 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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3 posted on 10/22/2014 7:33:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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It really ticks me off when I hear the ads that some companies put out trying to sell gold. They claim that gold is a means to store value that will never go bad, unlike stocks and currencies, etc. The real truth is that gold has value for precisely the same reason that currencies do, namely that people are willing to accept gold in exchange for other assets. Gold has no more actual intrinsic value than any financial asset. Now, as this article points out, there are other assets that are stores of value. If your concern really is storing value in the event of a true economic collapse, only one of these alternatives really makes any sense. In a true societal collapse, only guns and ammo would have true intrinsic value, namely that they give you the ability to defend yourself and your property. It the SHTF scenario, none of the other possibilities, including gold, would really be worth anything.


4 posted on 10/22/2014 7:33:11 AM PDT by stremba
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Wine, firearms seem to be the only practical items among the 11 listed.

During the obola apocalypse I can think of other items, but firearms (guns and ammo) will be high on that list.


6 posted on 10/22/2014 7:34:38 AM PDT by nonsporting
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7 posted on 10/22/2014 7:35:14 AM PDT by null and void ("Agoraphobia": fear of the marketplace; "AlGoreaphobia": fear of the marketplace of ideas.)
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the price of gold has performed dismally in recent years.

This is largely because every single ounce held in the LMBA system has been sold to (on average) a hundred different people.

That's a fake supply of 100 to 1. A hundred promissory notes for every physical ounce.

Gold is insanely undervalued. Not indeed by a 100 to 1, but by some large factor.

8 posted on 10/22/2014 7:35:49 AM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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I store most of mine in real estate and Apple stock. So far so good.


9 posted on 10/22/2014 7:49:17 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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I keep mine in my wallet - it fits.


10 posted on 10/22/2014 7:54:05 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Eccl 12 V.13)
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14 posted on 10/22/2014 8:23:58 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (My wife told me to update my tag, so I did.)
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Are cartridges considered “odd”?


15 posted on 10/22/2014 8:24:58 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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Gold is never worth nothing. Neither is junk silver. You should have some of both. In addition food, ammo and booze are always worth something.


16 posted on 10/22/2014 8:26:34 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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17 posted on 10/22/2014 8:33:07 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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“It has no utility.” Warren is a smart fellow, but in trying to make a point he made this ridiculous statement.

“Gold is insanely undervalued.”
This is quite incorrect by realistic measures. If you are only considering golds value from a paper or psychological value then golds price is exactly what it is. If you are considering the price from an actual usable commodity value, it is insanely overpriced.

Lets compare it to something highly needed in manufacturing, but much more rare, lithium. Lithium, however, is not characteristically price manipulated or with the same ownership stigma.

world gold reserves 114 billion tonnes estimated
world lithium reserves 13.4 million tons estimated (USGS)

pure refined lithium cost $123/lb, or if it were measured in troy ounces that would be about $10 per ounce.

So if lithium which is considerably more rare, and in high demand for batteries for electric vehicles and other things is $10 per ounce, then shouldn’t gold which is considerably more available be worth less than half that?

So in reality the price of gold over the cost of mining is just a big mental case.


18 posted on 10/22/2014 8:37:38 AM PDT by Prophet2520
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I am heavily invested in metals, copper,nickel,silver,zinc etc.

It`s all in that big glass jug by the fireplace.


19 posted on 10/22/2014 8:49:21 AM PDT by Einherjar
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Collectibles are worthless in a SHTF scenario. During deflationary times (should we ever see such a thing again), collectibles lose tremendous value. I doubt collectibles would be that valuable during a currency collapse either.

From a more practical standpoint, vintage cars are most valuable when they are sought after by those who have finally achieved financial success and wish to relive their youth, buying the models they used to have or wished they had had when they were young. After that generation passes away, then those models lose value, often lots of value, because now their market is to a much smaller group of die-hard collectors.

Diamonds of course are actually almost worthless due to a worldwide glut that is soaked up by De Beers in a massive effort to keep the supply limited and prices artificially high.

Guns and ammo are interesting, especially guns, because even in a worse case scenario, modern high quality firearms never lose their value and are quite liquid. I have a friend who treats a large part of his gun collection as basically a bank account to convert to cash whenever needed. He’s always on the lookout for good deals too. And of course, you always have the practical value of guns in various self-defense scenarios as well.


21 posted on 10/22/2014 9:31:34 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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Rare stamps, small pieces of art, documents, memorabilia are good investments as long as there is no major collapse. As long as the US & global economy continues to produce an increasing number of wealthy people, these items will probably hold up over time because they become more difficult to obtain with time.

One of the key benefits to holding small items with large stores of value is that they can be relatively easy to take from place to place and across borders w/o attracting attention. This is definitely something to consider with civil forfeiture and closer screening of US citizens at the borders.

A customs or TSA agent will never know the wide differences in value between all the variations in condition and subtypes of early US stamps.


25 posted on 10/22/2014 9:54:30 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. President zero gave us patient zero.)
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You’d be amazed at how well Lego holds up over time.


30 posted on 10/22/2014 10:16:14 AM PDT by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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Aaron Clarey, an economist and author, notes: "While an arsenal of 600 guns is an impossible number of guns to even move, let alone use, having 'some' guns not only serves as a safety measure, but also an investment ... Ammo, is very much like coin or currency. Holds value, has intrinsic value, will have value today and certain in a SHTF scenario."

Heck no! 600 guns would fit in a moving van very nicely. Don't ask me how I know that.

35 posted on 10/22/2014 11:47:01 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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I don't know about that list. I mean, who's going to buy a stamp collection if civilization comes tumbling down? And I'd rather have some silver bullion coins with agreed-upon value than rare coins of negotiable value for barter, if necessary.

I've been thinking about it. Two very good things to have would be a private water supply and a greenhouse obscured from public view.

36 posted on 10/22/2014 11:51:20 AM PDT by grania
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Generally speaking, I'm a lead/silver guy as far as storing wealth, provided you buy your silver at the right prices. I look to look at past conflicts, to figure out what might be of value in a SHTF scenario, so I'll make a short list of things that I think could be valuable:

1) Lead and firearms
2) Silver and Gold
3) Chocolate
4) coffee
5) food of all kinds
6) Toilet paper
7) Power generating equipment, i.e. steam generators, wind mills, etc
8) Important medications (i.e. antibiotics, etc)
9) Radios for information and communication
10) Booze as well as equipment to make booze, i.e. still, and grains to use for the booze.
11) Older motor vehicles - in the event of an EMP attack, older vehicles with less electronics will fare well, particularly older diesel vehicles
12) Fuel, if stored properly
13) Sanitation chemicals, i.e. bleach, quicklime for the new outhouse you'll be building

I'm sure many can think of other things, but this is my partial list, feel free to add to it.
38 posted on 10/22/2014 12:22:48 PM PDT by krogers58
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