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To: Zhang Fei

I figured that was the case. However I thought it might havve been US troops and not the SAS.


6 posted on 10/26/2014 9:01:13 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer; Zhang Fei
I figured that was the case. However I thought it might havve been US troops and not the SAS.

Near the end of the article it is mentioned that the Delta Force was present, which means that the US was definitely involved in the fight. Generally speaking, whenever there is some covert Western action - be it by the UK 'SAS' (more on why I put that in quotes later), German KSK, Polish GROM, whatever - you can be certain that there is a high likelihood of the US being involved, and usually either through Delta (or whatever it's current name is - from white sources it hasn't been Delta in decades, and not CAG or ACE in years) or the CIA's SAD/SOG.

Now, on the SAS put in quotes as 'SAS.'

The Special Air Service is one of the most complete special operations units in the world, and they have been the direct or indirect inspiration for many of the leading Western units (not all ...e.g. DEVGRU, or whatever what is commonly known as Seal Team Six is called nowadays, stems from the SBS and not the SAS). The problem is that any British Special Forces action is ascribed to the SAS, when the truth is that in many cases those missions have either been a mix of SAS and SBS, or even 100% pure SBS missions.

For example, the hunt for Bin Laden in Tora Bora. It has been described in media as a joint Delta/SAS mission, and there have been at least three books written on it calling it a SAS mission. The truth is that it was a 100% SBS mission, and it took Dalton Fury (the pseudonym of a Delta commander) to very specifically dedicate a couple of pages towards what he considered an injustice, and saying that it was a totally SBS mission and that they were consumate professionals.

Additionally, the 'SAS mission' to Sierra Leone to rescue UK forces that had been kidnapped by the West Side Boys? Yup, it was a joint SAS/SBS/Paratroopers mission ....but only the SAS and Paras made it to print (many of the SAS come from the Paras in the same way a lot of Delta comes from Rangers and Special Forces, and most DEVGRU come from the numbered SEAL teams).

What about the brave action of UK 'SAS' to bring down the violent prison outbreak in 2001 at a fort prison in Afghanistan that became the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, and which led to the first American dying on the GWOT (not counting those who died on 9/11) and that led to the capture of John Walker Lindh (the American Taliban)? The battle that had around 500 armed prisoners against 9 US Special Forces and 6 'SAS?' Well, those SAS were 100% SBS.

Anyways, all this seems like a waste of bandwidth, but a lot of SBS are honestly annoyed by a lot of their work being ascribed to the SAS. Particularly considering the selection of the SAS and SBS is joint, but after passing SAS selection, to become SBS one continues with more selection ...and gets lower pay.

I'd not be surprised if it came out that the 'SAS' action here was SBS, especially considering the area of focus.

As an aside, the SBS/SAS rivarly from a mission attribution angle is similar to the DEVGRU/DELTA case. The main missions people hear about Delta are the failures, yet they are always active but one never hears what they do. After Operation Neptune Spear to bring down UBL, and the articles (and books and movies) that came out, there was some serious lashback from the specops community over what seemed like an eagerness to get media attention.

14 posted on 10/27/2014 5:32:53 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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