. Posted on 11/01/2014 9:42:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
...and one out of one dead outside them, which is where everyone else will be if those 23 specialized beds are filled.
That still does not justify bringing it here under any but the most controlled conditions. At present, the door is wide open.
I could see part of the payment for treatment including plasma donations. It's not that unfair... the IV just has to run the other way for a couple of minutes as a little payback for the supportive therapy.
I could see part of the payment for treatment including plasma donations. It's not that unfair... the IV just has to run the other way for a couple of minutes as a little payback for the supportive therapy.
I agree. By bringing it here they will bankrupt the hospitals, infect and kill first responders and infect medical workers, and put ordinary Americans at risk. After some number of fatalities this will be obvious and the politicians will put a stop to it.
So if there are a few major cities that don't have a confirmed case by December 31, "journalists" can say it was unreasoning hysteria, right?
Not just journalists, FR’s very own poop-pooer Ebola ex-spurts and obama policy/open borders defenders will show up in force as well.
Your stats omitted Duncan.
That’s OK,...many of the West African stats omit the heavily infected populations as well,....to awkward to include it statistically.
The next three weeks are going to be very interesting. The handful of currently confirmed Ebola patients had lots of contacts before they were diagnosed. If a lot of those people get sick, we’re doomed, statistically speaking.
If they were still being allowed in the ERs.
I think that by the time we have 10 cases here, maybe fewer, Ebola patients will not be allowed anywhere near a regular ER. They will be screened and diverted outside. It is already happening now as patients are being shuttled directly to isolation rooms (e.g. Portland).
Duncan was not treated in a specialized center, he was treated in a (unprepared) general hospital.
I am not suggesting by any means that 8/8 can be translated into 800/800. I have been consistent about both travel restriction and quarantine, and I still favor both.
But the proposition that Ebola is not close to 70% fatal with modern treatment in Western hospitals is validated, I think, by the 8/8 stat.
. Patton, nully
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3222229/posts?page=72#72
question on the first picture:
what in the world is the disease that causes that arm to have boils? whatever it is on it? The plague?
egads....
There is a difference between decontamination, disinfection, and sterilization.
Ebola is assigned the BSL-4 classification because there is no known cure and it is likely to be fatal.
FWIW, some indicate it only takes 3-10 virions to infect somebody with ebola. Ebola is encapsulated, but it’s size is 70nm x1400 nm (avg length). That is about 25% smaller than a HEPA filter lower threshold. Even HEPA filters only filter out up to 99.97% of particulate matter at .3 microns (300 nm).
Clean room studies indicate a human sitting at rest, exhales about 100,000 particles/minute at .3 micron size and larger.
Ebola virus is known to be infectious by close bodily fluid contact and not documented to be transmitted amongst humans by breathing, and it is not known to replicate in the air, and epidemiologically, not likely to be airborne, but it might be transmitted as an aerosol.
With 99.97 % efficiency, our HEPA filters aren’t designed to fully sterilize, but they are expected to allow 30 particles through at 4x the size of the ebola virus.
While the ebola virus isn’t known to be replicating in these environments, it has been known to survive on dried blood splatter for 52 days in ambient temperatures in the dark.
It is known to replicate in human blood cells to the point that one blood droplet on a corpse may contain 3.2 million virions.
After it infects the blood, a virion may enter a blood cell, where it lives and replicates. When it’s replication rate exceeds the capacity of the blood cell to contain it, the cell may explode, releasing thousands of virions into the blood stream where they continue the process.
It’s RNA process has been studied and it is known to cause hemorrhagic fevers, leading to death.
Also, while many infected fatally, there are also other groups who appear to survive the virus, so something occurs in some survivors to interrupt either the replication process or allows the body to naturally immunize itself from the virus’ typical processes.
For those without immunity, isolation from the virions is the wisest choice at present.
Statistically, there might be situations where the virion is transmitted outside the bodily fluid, but in such small numbers that other bodily processes or natural phenomenon kill the virus before it maintains a replication rate observed in bodily fluids. Some might continue to replicate to a point they are of the same concentration as those exposed to contaminated bodily fluids. This might nicely explain the extreme range in manifest symptoms from secondary tissue immune system damage. IMHO, there are probably many other secondary processes not yet documented which attribute to the wide range of symptoms exhibited.
While some West African cultural traditions might grossly favor transmission, the large percentages of health care workers infected by the virus indicates there maybe other risky operations than simply avoiding bodily contact.
HIV is only a BSL-2 hazard, while ebola is still a BSL-4 hazard, and for good reasons. If one can only get infected by close bodily contact from fluids, it’s study would be required in a vault, in a submarine, in a prison.
My understanding is that they aren’t being treated, but rather having their blood replaced and transfused, preferably with blood from a past ebola survivor, with prayers they too will survive.
Jim Noble FR prediction: Zero sporadic cases by 11/22/14 in the USA. Sporadic does not include: Arrivals from Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone, their sex partners, or health care workers caring for Craig Spencer or any other non-sporadic case. Sporadic does include subway riders, bowlers, roommates without sexual or blood contact, bike riders, and everybody else.
I will revisit the issue on 11/22.
That’s ebola. It’s a hemorrhagic fever,..reduces clotting and eats at internal flesh resulting in internal bleeding.
I hope you’re right.
Me, too. I've taken quite a beating around here for pointing out the lack of evidence for airborne transmission, now, thanks to the very poor judgement of the government, we get to see the results of the experiment.
Saying, "Wait and see, we don't really know," is against the tide of sentiment right now. A big problem is that nobody trusts the Obama administration, the CDC, or medical personnel now: not their competence nor their good will.
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