Marijuana profits up in smoke under ITS rules [link only]

USA Today [link only] | November 4, 2014 | Katie Kuntz

[ConservingFreedom]

You never answered if you favor prostitution

It was as off-topic then as it is now - but since you can't address the subject at hand: legal prostitution seems to be working well for Nevada.

[elhombrelibre]

LOL, “Pot and Prostitution!” You are a libertarian utopian.

[ConservingFreedom]

Opposite - it's crimnalization of vice that's utopian, as it leaves vice intact while enriching criminals and putting vice outside the realm of effective regulation.

[GeronL]

running in circles on the logic there

[ConservingFreedom]

it's crimnalization of vice that's utopian, as it leaves vice intact while enriching criminals and putting vice outside the realm of effective regulation.

running in circles on the logic there

I don't think you know what 'circular logic' means - but here's your opportunity to leave egg on my face by showing how my logic is circular.

[GeronL]

Recognizing that people and society is not perfect and not perfectible is the antithesis of Utopian. Desiring laws that are necessary to curb dangerous things is not Utopian by definition.

[elhombrelibre]

Would you criminalize non-government pot and prostitutes? Would that be vise that’s utopian, too?

[elhombrelibre]

I see a statist logic in the line of reasoning. All vice gets to belong to the state to manage - dope, prostitutes, etc. It’s really just another way to undermine virtue and expand the state.

[ConservingFreedom]

Would you criminalize non-government pot and prostitutes?

On the contrary, I think non-government pot, prostitutes, booze, and triple-scoop hot fudge sundaes are the only kind there should be - government's proper role is not to sell goods and services.

[elhombrelibre]

But you’d regulate prostitution, right? You’d make sure kids couldn’t be used in it, right? Say you’re not for child prostitution just so can be sure you’re not too far gone.

[ConservingFreedom]

it's criminalization of vice that's utopian, as it leaves vice intact while enriching criminals and putting vice outside the realm of effective regulation.

Recognizing that people and society is not perfect and not perfectible is the antithesis of Utopian. Desiring laws that are necessary to curb dangerous things is not Utopian by definition.

To criminalize is not to curb, but in fact to remove the ability to curb - as I said, "putting vice outside the realm of effective regulation." For example: widespread tainting of alcohol existed in the USA only when alcohol was criminalized; and since well before any state had legalized pot, teens have reported that they could get it more easily than beer or cigarettes ... which is to be expected since legal sellers card and illegal sellers don't.

[GeronL]

interesting way of looking at it and not wrong either

[ConservingFreedom]

But you’d regulate prostitution, right? You’d make sure kids couldn’t be used in it, right?

Of course - but regulated X is not "government X" ... and regulation is impossible once a commodity or service is driven into the black market by criminalization.

[elhombrelibre]

Okay, so you’d play semantics with prostitution and pot. You’re in favor of some government regulated pot and prostitution.

[newnhdad]

great way of looking at it but I’m not sure the pot heads care as long as they can get theirs.

[ConservingFreedom]

regulated X is not "government X"

you’d play semantics with prostitution and pot

The semantic games are all yours - gasoline is regulated, so do you claim it's "government gasoline"? Cars are regulated, so do you claim they're "government cars"?

[ConservingFreedom]

All vice gets to belong to the state

Nobody's calling for that - it's a straw man.

[elhombrelibre]

You equate gas, cars, and prostitution as all being commodities you’d be fine with regulating. Would you be willing to be a prostitute?

[ConservingFreedom]

The semantic games are all yours - gasoline is regulated, so do you claim it's "government gasoline"? Cars are regulated, so do you claim they're "government cars"?

You equate gas, cars, and prostitution as all being commodities you’d be fine with regulating.

The only "equating" was your foolish equation of regulated pot with "government pot." But some levels of regulation are appropriate for all the commodities you list.

Would you be willing to be a prostitute?

No, nor a septic tank cleaner - should we ban that too?

[elhombrelibre]

You think prostitution is the same as cleaning septic tanks? You’re finding it more and more difficult to make your sophistries of any merit beyond being absurd.