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To: Lexinom
My own opinion for whatever it's worth is that the proper disposition for the observer, a human being living within a miniscule sphere of space-time, is one of great humility.

Fair enough. I think many scientists are very humble, awestruck by the vast magnificence of what they're studying. (Some are not, of course, and some of those tend to dominate the media. But that's true in any discipline, including religious ones.) But I'm still not sure how that attitude is supposed to affect their practice of science, particularly what you've called historical science.

Take the people described in the original article here. Leaving aside the unnecessary confrontational anti-creationist presentation, how were they supposed to conduct their research and discuss their results? They obviously accept the theories of evolution and an old earth. They looked at the evidence so far and said, "If the theories are right, there should be an animal with these characteristics in the timeline right about here." They looked for it and found it. They presented it as further evidence in support of their theories. What should they have done differently? How would their a priori presupposition of the supernatural change things?

You've criticized, among other things, the assumption of uniformity that underlies such things as radiometric dating. And yet different methods of dating have been shown to produce consistent results, and scientists working with the assumption of uniformity have been able to make predictions that bore fruit. Should they stop trying to build a narrative of origins based on that assumption because there's a chance it might be wrong? Or present all their results with an asterisk and a "*This might all be wrong, if the speed of light used to be different and radioactive materials used to decay faster" disclaimer?

194 posted on 11/10/2014 10:47:56 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Great points you raise. I don't have time to engage every one of them at the moment, but I would like to ask about this.

You've criticized, among other things, the assumption of uniformity that underlies such things as radiometric dating. And yet different methods of dating have been shown to produce consistent results, and scientists working with the assumption of uniformity have been able to make predictions that bore fruit.

Are you aware of the procedure for procuring these dates? The lab typically asks the client what age he or she expects the sample to show. The lab then will do 30, 40, 50, or 60 tests until they get the desired number. The sad fact is that closed systems probably do not exist in nature (things leak in and out all the time), yet a closed system is the only environment that could facilitate an accurate measurement. In summary, radiometric dating is simply a guess that has as its starting point what the investigator thinks should be the age...

201 posted on 11/10/2014 12:58:51 PM PST by Lexinom
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