Did We Vote For War

World Net Daily ^ | 11/18/2014 | Pat Buchanan

[duckln]

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Putin is Napoleon? Has the Journal lost it?

Vladimir Putin is 62. By age 40, Napoleon's empire encompassed nearly all of Europe. France had swallowed Belgium, Holland, parts of Germany and the Italian coast to Rome. The Emperor had alliances with Austria, Russia, Denmark, Sweden and a truncated Prussia. Virtually all the resources, industries and populations of Continental Europe were at the service of the French Empire.

Putin has reacquired Crimea, which belonged to Russia before the United States was a nation, and is about the size of Vermont.

[wetphoenix]

~Remember how they edited the max ceiling for a SU-25 so one “could” shoot down MH17?~

http://youtu.be/GY_2NoHdNso?t=5m34s

Look at altimeter at 5:34.

It is not recommended to fly over 7,000 meters but it doesn’t mean it can’t climb twice as high.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

It is not recommended to fly over 7,000 meters but it doesn’t mean it can’t climb twice as high Twice 7000 meters eh, Russkie? That means they can fly 10,000 feet above the cruising altitudes of commercial airline jets. Do you think before you speak, you filthy Russkie? But I guess lies don't need to make sense.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Pat nails it again.

Pat's just in love with Putin's not so firm biceps. I stopped taking him seriously when he compared Vladimir Putin to the Pope.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Maybe if John McCain didn’t “tinker” with Ukraine in the first place Crimea would still be a part of it.

Since there was no John McCain conspiracy to create a fake protest movement, but was an actual protest movement that was reacting to Berkut-Russkies beating little old ladies in the streets, it would have made no difference.

As for the Crimean election results. If you believe that, I have a bridge I can sell you. BTW, the Crimean Tatars and at least half the population in Crimea would be expected to oppose the annexation. Tatars make up about 15 percent of the population. Even if we just consider them alone, it would make the number of 97 percent absolutely ridiculous.

[wetphoenix]

Have you seen a video at link? It has clocked exactly 5000 ft higher than ‘official’ max ceiling.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Have you seen a video at link? It has clocked exactly 5000 ft higher than ‘official’ max ceiling.

This is possible only by 1) Having no armaments (otherwise its altitude is 16,000 feet max, not 23,000) 2) Using inertia by accelerating quickly upward to bring you over your maximum ceiling height, but only for a short period of time. Atmospheric conditions can also have an effect. You also have the added problem that the SU-25 can only achieve half the speed of the 777, and is designed for ground attack, not going up to 33,000 feet on level with a 777, tracking it, and shooting it down.

[wetphoenix]

I am not arguing for a showdown actually, just pointing out that some of your arguments are wrong.
Yet, Su-25 has a history of downing civilian airliners (for example in Azeri-Armenian war over Karabakh).

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

I am not arguing for a showdown actually, just pointing out that some of your arguments are wrong.

None of the arguments are wrong. You are just a petulant little lying pile of Russkie crap who comes around to throw out little piles of disinformation to fool the gullible. Go burn in hell, you Russkie slimeball.

[GeronL]

lol

[wetphoenix]

~None of the arguments are wrong.~

:) I guess an individual with a screen name like yours might really believe he can’t be wrong.
BTW, I asked older fly guys and they said it was routine to ferry Su-25s from Tbilisi plant in Georgia to Shindand AFB in Afghanistan at 10,600 meters back to 1980s.
On the other hand, I have just posted you a video to prove you wrong. Your choice is actually to believe either Wikipedia or me and your lying eyes.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Your choice is actually to believe either Wikipedia or me and your lying eyes.

Actually, my choice was to disbelieve Wikipedia, as your government literally engaged in a Wikipedia editing war just to upgrade the specs of the SU25. As for everything else, you've proved nothing except your ability to be an obnoxious little troll. Go crawl back in to your vodka bottle, you worthless drunk Russian.

[Wallace T.]

You have to consider the context of the post-World War I era. For several centuries, Austria had been a major European power due to its multinational empire, but in the aftermath of the war, the nation was reduced to a small fraction of its former size, consisting mostly of ethnic Germans. Part of the desire to join Germany was based on a desire to restore national greatness by joining with the rest of the German nation. Unlike Germanic Switzerland, the Netherlands, or Flanders, Germanic Austria had not established a national identity separate from the greater German nation.

The uglier side of Austrian desire to join Germany was anti-Semitism. Although the Austro-Hungarian Empire was more liberal, both politically and socially, to the Jewish minority than anywhere else in continental Europe, the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia and unsuccessful Communist coups in Hungary and Germany adversely affected the former climate of tolerance. Due to the prominence of men of Jewish background (though not religion) in the Communist movement and anti-Semitic propaganda spread by monarchists and other authoritarians, hatred of Jews was far more widespread in the 1920s and 1930s than it had been in the previous century.

Additionally, Austria had its own brand of fascism-lite: authoritarian and undemocratic, but without the militarism or the ethnic hatred. In pre-Anschluss Austria, there were no good guys, just bad guys (nationalist authoritarians) and worse guys (Nazis). When Mussolini threw in his lot with Hitler in 1937, Austrian independence was doomed.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you for the short history lesson. I appreciate the dynamics you presented.