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Ukraine Militias Warn of Anti-Kiev Coup
The Daily Beast ^ | November 28, 2014 | Jamie Dettmer

Posted on 11/29/2014 3:37:24 AM PST by Bettyprob

KIEV, Ukraine—The burly man with the close-cropped silver hair and his two companions ask not to be identified too closely when they talk to me in some dowdy offices near an ancient monastery overlooking the Dnieper River. They want to be described as “patriotic businessmen,” they say, and one of them, whom we’ll call Alexander, is a very, very rich patriotic businessman.

They have been funding Ukrainian self-defense militias formed in response to what they see as the ineffectiveness of the Ukraine Armed Forces in the face of pro-Moscow separatists and Russian troops in the country’s southeast. And they suggest something worse than incompetence is at work there. The word “betrayal” often plays on their lips. They predict the government of President Petro Poroshenko may not last another three months. “That’s optimistic,” says Alexander.

Alexander and his friends point to continued military hardware exports—sometimes transferred via Moscow-ally Belarus—sent from some of Ukraine’s 134 state-owned defense enterprises to Russia, which has long been the Ukraine arms industry’s biggest customer.

The trade flouts a March 2014 prohibition on all exports of weaponry and military equipment to Moscow. Poroshenko reinforced that ban in June with a presidential decree, but Alexander and other businessmen contacted by The Daily Beast say enterprises are still disobeying the order. Some are doing so because there’s money to be made and recession is hitting this key sector; others because executives and workers in the defense plants, mostly located in the east and the south of Ukraine, are sympathetic to Russia.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: arizonapeepants; kiev; militia; petroporoshenko; poroshenko; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 11/29/2014 3:37:24 AM PST by Bettyprob
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To: Bettyprob

I think it is a kind of “coup” which actually must be suppressed with an iron fist (unlike the first one which was a “revolution”).
It is a non-democratic coup for sure, because everybody know there are good guys now sitting in a government. So, their opposition have to be “bad guys”. /s


2 posted on 11/29/2014 3:43:50 AM PST by wetphoenix
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To: Bettyprob

“They predict the government of President Petro Poroshenko may not last another three months.”

How ironic would that be.


3 posted on 11/29/2014 5:57:52 AM PST by McGruff (If you like your current Democracy you can keep it. Period.)
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To: Bettyprob

Sounds like a good case of what goes around, comes around. But hey, isn`t revolution good there?


4 posted on 11/29/2014 6:11:45 AM PST by nomad
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To: McGruff
Not surprising in the least the "Volunteer Battalions" have taken a dislike to the Kiev Government. After all, they were left to twist in the wind at Iloviansk, the Cauldron,etc. And currently, the Canadian Government is doing more to supply them with winter gear (non-lethal) than is Kiev!

No question but that the hatred of Kiev is deep-seated...

5 posted on 11/29/2014 6:48:15 AM PST by donozark (Andrea Chalupa:"Ukraine is fighting for survival. The UN is fighting for relevancy.")
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To: Bettyprob

I give these folks credit.

Why?

Both men and women stand up, and deliver their resounding ‘NO’s!’ with a bullet. Something most Americans have yet to do.


6 posted on 11/29/2014 6:50:27 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Bettyprob
The party of Poroshenko and the party of Yatsenyuk have been engaged in a power struggle since the Parliamentary elections in October.

One of the key fights is over who will control the Interior Ministry, which oversees the National Guard to which these so-called volunteer militias nominally belong.

If the Ukie nationalists are muttering about another coup, it must mean Poroshenko is gaining the upper hand.

7 posted on 11/29/2014 9:19:56 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aide)
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To: McGruff

may not last another three months

Oh so if they last 6 months will you and

your betty girl friend stfu...............


8 posted on 11/29/2014 11:47:44 AM PST by hubel458
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To: donozark

Canadian Government is doing more to supply them .....

Er... that could be because, one, yano-asshole was not

prez of canada, robbing it blind and sending the loot

to putler leaving country impoverised, two, putler

hasn’t invaded it, so their factories still work.....


9 posted on 11/29/2014 11:53:32 AM PST by hubel458
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To: hubel458
Nothing wrong with the factory in Kharkiv. Nor with the BTR-4s produced there. They could parade them in Kiev two months ago, but not send them to the front. List goes on and on...

Volunteers have been appointed to monitor the incoming supplies from Canada to make sure they are not "re-gifted." Sad...

10 posted on 11/29/2014 12:17:38 PM PST by donozark (Andrea Chalupa:"Ukraine is fighting for survival. The UN is fighting for relevancy.")
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To: donozark

Its takes material, money, manpower,and Ukrainins going

like crazy trying to get their hard armaments fixed,

being they were also decimated, and neglected, rusting away

as per yano’s work.

Be like way back, expecting US and UK to land in France

2 weeks after US got into the war....


11 posted on 11/29/2014 12:55:01 PM PST by hubel458
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To: hubel458

I don’t disagree with thing you say. However, plenty of BTR-4s were up and running for a parade in Kiev. They should have pointed them toward the Donbas, and rolled....


12 posted on 11/29/2014 1:01:41 PM PST by donozark (Andrea Chalupa:"Ukraine is fighting for survival. The UN is fighting for relevancy.")
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To: hubel458
stfu

You and your poorly-written posts first.

13 posted on 11/29/2014 5:07:00 PM PST by Bettyprob
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To: Bettyprob

Just because you have a super literate way

with words means we are to believe all your

russian troll propaganda. Bull


14 posted on 11/29/2014 8:17:35 PM PST by hubel458
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To: donozark

‘’BTR-4s were up and running for a parade ‘’

A bunch got to front, but Canada made 30,000 more

as many more were needed...

But if they got up and running toward Donbass wouldn’t

that open UKR to charges from you trolling folks that

right wing, children roasting, nazi/fascist, EU/US

loving slaves, are breaking the ceasefire; against

peaceful separatists, blah,blah.....


15 posted on 11/29/2014 8:26:35 PM PST by hubel458
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To: McGruff
Ukrainian politologist Tatiana Montyan predicted that Poroshenko and Yatseniyuk will be hanged by mob.
16 posted on 11/30/2014 2:33:12 AM PST by Cossak
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To: hubel458
BTR-4s are manufactured in Ukraine. Not Canada. And no one, not even Ukraine have produced " 30,000."

Iraq received nearly 100 BTR-4s and that is a larger shipment than what went to the front (Donbas).

In fact, one of the chief complaints of the Volunteer BNs. is they did not have a sufficient number of BTR-4s.

I think you are drunk...

17 posted on 11/30/2014 5:45:33 AM PST by donozark (Andrea Chalupa:"Ukraine is fighting for survival. The UN is fighting for relevancy.")
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To: wetphoenix

Any ‘coup’ against Russia is a good ‘coup’.

A revolution is when a country stands up to tyranny...that’s what happened.

Only problem for you is that Russia is losing it’s grip on Ukraine. Too bad/so sad.


18 posted on 11/30/2014 5:30:14 PM PST by KOZ.
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