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To: chris37

Using the tazer is a documented, well-established, and trained-for alternative in the compliance continuum.

The principle concept behind use of force doctrine:

“Minimum force necessary to compel compliance.”

If the police had probable cause to make an arrest, or an actual warrant for arrest, then they can take the man into custody by informing him he is under arrest, informing him of the charge, and then asking him to comply.

To the extent he refuses, you can start working your way up that continuum until they comply, or until in the course of compliance, you feel you life or safety is in imminent danger.

Choke holds are not a part of the compliance continuum. They aren’t. The NYPD used them. That’s it. Game over. The officers are trained on this continuum. They have to take tests to make grade. There’s no way around this.

If the taser killed him, then you chalk it up to too much baby back ribs and mourn his passing.

If you choke him out, well, then its homicide, and the only thing left to consider is what kind of homicide it is: from ‘justifiable’ through ‘negligent’ through ‘manslaughter’ to ‘murder’.

Custody is a legal term. It means that the police officer has become responsible for the SAFETY of the suspect until custody of that suspect has been transferred to the precinct, or to a detention facility. If a suspect dies in your custody, then the officer who collared him is responsible for his death.

The grand jury massively screwed up here, but not before the NYPD screwed up in taking out the dude who put the choke hold on him and whacked him back down to traffic. Use of force is THE ISSUE du jour right now. It is totally out of hand.


80 posted on 12/05/2014 9:12:00 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

“During his testimony before the grand jury, Pantaleo denied using a chokehold on Garner, saying he applied “a takedown move as he was taught in the [Police] Academy,” London said.”

“He testified in the grand jury that he utilized the techniques that he was trained with in the police academy,” Pantaleo’s attorney, Stuart London, told CBS2’s Kramer. “He was attempting to do a take-down move, which he was taught in the academy. He never intended to apply any force to the individual’s neck, and any contact with the neck was incidental.”

It wasn’t a choke hold.

The grand jury didn’t believe it was a choke hold, and neither do I.

In fact, I know it wasn’t a choke hold, because I know what a choke hold is and that wasn’t a choke hold.

Here, let’s learn what choke holds are, and what they do, and how fast they do it, so that we can stop engaging in falshoods and ignorance.

Rear Naked Choke demonstration and result-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UGkHctUq6U

Anaconda choke demonstration-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74PXBEJr3Mg

Guillotine choke demonstration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh2y2TqALyc

He wasn’t killed by a choke hold, because a choke hold was never used.

He may well have been killed by the increased excitement of the act of being arrested, but he wasn’t, in fact, killed by the policeman who took him down.

Knowledge is power.


93 posted on 12/05/2014 9:35:47 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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