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To: SteveH
They want a world where the women are lying, the men are infallible

No. I want a world where we recognize the fact that some women and some men lie about sex. In other cases, the two people involved have different stories about what happened and they both believe they're telling the truth. Especially when drugs and alcohol are involved.

everything, everything, is up for discussion.

"Shut up," she explained.

The author wants an accusation by a female automatically assumed to be true and therefore the equivalent of a conviction, in the court of public opinion if not necessarily in a court of law.

Regardless of what she says, we're quite close to being there now.

Let us assume a large number of accusations of date rape. Both parties are agreed coitus took place, the only issue in dispute is whether it was consensual or not.

What we might call "street rape" is not an issue here. AFAIK, nobody generally disputes that a rape occurred in such cases.

Some (I assume small) percentage of date rape cases result in conviction of the male. Frankly in such circumstances I find it difficult to see how any jury can find "evidence beyond a reasonable doubt." But they do sometimes. We will assume all such convictions are just. We'll call this Group A.

In another and much smaller percentage, the female is "proven" to have made a false accusation. Even harder to prove one way or the other. Group C.

This leaves, I assume, the vast majority of such cases in legal limbo. Not enough evidence to convict, but also not enough to definitively prove a false accusation took place. Group B.

To the author of this screed, groups A and B are the rapes that took place. Only group C was not rape, and she's not fully convinced even these weren't real.

From a purely logical POV, it would make every bit as much sense to assume B and C are all false, with only A being "really" rape. In fact, it's almost certain some convictions are unjust.

In actual fact, some Group B cases were rape, and some were not. We will never know the percentage or which cases were which. But a large number of cases in Group B is simply not proof of a lot of rape, or of failure to "take rape seriously." Just a consequence of the limits of human knowledge.

10 posted on 12/07/2014 2:46:36 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

You make some good points...


12 posted on 12/07/2014 6:09:41 AM PST by SteveH
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To: Sherman Logan

Well said Sherman.


21 posted on 12/07/2014 12:11:42 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Sherman Logan

Cosby is not the only man being assaulted by the radical feminists and the ‘all sex is rape’ crowd.

Rolling Stone magazine says it now doubts the veracity of an account of a brutal gang rape at the University of Virginia that triggered a massive uproar.

Rolling Stones just stepped into the shit storm bacause they printed the claims of a ‘brutal mass rape’ from a less than credible witness.

These people seek to undermine our rule of law.

Quote “Rolling Stone magazine said there “appear to be discrepancies” in its explosive story about sexual assault at the University of Virginia. (Image via Wikimedia Commons)

Rolling Stone magazine said there “appear to be discrepancies” in its explosive story about sexual assault at the University of Virginia. (Image via Wikimedia Commons)”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/05/rolling-stone-issues-major-editors-note-about-brutal-campus-rape-story/


22 posted on 12/07/2014 12:22:09 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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