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The CIA Smacked Around A Few Terrorists. So What?
Townhall.com ^ | December 14, 2014 | John Nantz

Posted on 12/14/2014 5:48:38 AM PST by Kaslin

Democrats are always on dubious ground whenever they use the word "stain." However, that didn't deter Senator Diane Feinstein from describing the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) efforts to tease valuable information out of mass murdering jihadists as "a stain on American values and history." The CIA's enhanced interrogation program was a tease in comparison to the prehistoric barbarity of Islamic jihadists and in comparison to the horrors of actual battle.

Review the footage from the Twin Towers on that infamous day. American citizens, real people, with wives, husbands, and children threw themselves, in desperation, out of the inferno to be shattered to splinters on the sidewalk below. Any one of them would trade places with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, or Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who got a little water splashed in their faces. They were none the worse for wear while three thousand Americans died in very unpleasant ways on September 11th. The real stain, aside from Bill Clinton's infamous blot, is the impolite streak that the last six years of the Obama administration has left in Uncle Sam's skivvies.

Last Tuesday, December 9, the Democrats scurried to the prefabricated-crisis-cabinet and shattered the glass. Feinstein dusted off the Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Torture and spoon fed it into the thick, open mouths of the infantile mainstream media. Once properly fed, the toady media dutifully excreted the undigested, foul report and stained every available medium with the baseless political tract. Feinstein wasted no time in assuming center stage in the democrat theatre of the absurd. In politics timing is everything and the release of the report was timed, not so coincidentally, with the Gruber hearings.

Gruber must certainly be classified as a stain. Obamacare is an absurdity perpetrated on the American people by an administration occupied by immoral political autocrats bent upon subjugating the American people beneath the harness of a socialist economic tyranny, managed by a sneering plutocracy. Gruber's comments about Americans being stupid is a universally held belief among members of the Democrat party. Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Gruber they all think that hard working, responsible, taxpaying Americans are really stupid. That's why Obama spends so much time on the golf course--because, he thinks, the American people are too stupid to see what's going on right in front of them. That’s why Nancy Pelosi felt empowered to make the absurd remark, “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”To the liberal elite Americans are simply stupid sheeple in need of a enlightened shepherd. And, Obama is only too happy to gather his sanctimonious robes and hoist his imperious staff. However, the crushing defeat of Democrats in the mid-term elections seems to indicate that common sense America isn’t fooled by MIT or Harvard credentials.

The Obama administration's racism is a stain. A new report from the World Values Survey has concluded that America is one of the most racially tolerant countries in the world. Common sense America already knows that, but the constant drumbeat from the Obama administration is one of racial agitation. Obama said recently that racism “is something that is deeply rooted in our society.” What a calumny! What a shameful disgrace for an American president to indict the American people as racist. What colossal irony! Obama is half black, has enjoyed the highest stations of privilege that this country has to offer and all without ever having held a real job. The U.S. Attorney General is black. A Supreme Court justice is black. One of the wealthiest persons in the country is Oprah Winfrey, a black female. Our entertainment and sports industries are dominated by black Americans. After the civil rights act of 1964, affirmative action, and relentless efforts in both the media and in education to right past injustices and to incorporate a disenfranchised people, it is the most craven deceit to claim that all these efforts have been in vain and that the American people may still be dishonored by that spurious claim. Are there instances of racism? Absolutely, and one will find instances of that in any country, but in America to a far lesser degree. Is there institutional racism in this country? Absolutely not. It is without question a relic of the past, just as the founders intended. Why else would they pen a political document that contradicted the practice of slavery directly and unequivocally? Shame on Barack Hussein Obama and every other creature of the racism industry.

The CIA's use of the enhanced interrogation program was both a legitimate use of governmental power, was moral in its implementation, and was highly successful in producing actionable intelligence. Legitimate government derives its powers from God and exercises its power within Divinely prescribed spheres of authority. When human government attempts to expand its power beyond those devolved upon it by God it becomes oppressive and; therefore, illegitimate. The power of war and police powers are specifically addressed in the Bible. Romans 13: 3,4 states:

“For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Here, the Bible describes government’s legitimate exercise of military and police power. Government’s prime directive is to encourage the good (as defined Biblically)—to pursue it and foster its growth throughout all of the body politic. In this environment the civil society flourishes. If government becomes a “terror”to good works it is no longer a Divinely sanctioned “power.”However, government is charged with God’s authority to “execute wrath”specifically on “him that doeth evil.”In fact, just governments must instill fear in those who practice evil.

The power of the sword is the power of life and death. In moral terms, conducting enhanced interrogation techniques that don’t result in death, but leave the subject of these techniques relatively unharmed, fall well within a legitimate government’s proper authority. Moreover, subjecting a terrorist to techniques specifically designed to elicit fear, pain, and anxiety fall explicitly within the Biblical boundaries, “But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid.”

Governments fail at social justice, social welfare, and social engineering because these are beyond the scope of human government as defined Biblically. But, this is precisely why government is generally successful in prosecuting war and in providing police services.

Liberals would have Americans believe that the CIA held terrorists down and extracted their fingernails with a rusty pair of pliers. Even if they had, so what? War is a hellish business because it is a human product. Brutality is a necessary component of waging war and the brutality of evil must be met by rugged men of remorseless conviction. The CIA’s interrogation techniques are positively genteel in comparison to the beheadings, stonings, and live burials perpetrated by the enemy. The hypocritical Obama administration rains down hellfire missiles in torrents, blasting people into dismembered fragments and nary a sniff is heard from the fawning, monolithic media. The men and women of the CIA are busy about saving a noble republic from the barbarians at the gate. And, they’re doing it with God’s blessing.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: california; cia; diannefeinstein; terrorism; waterboarding
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To: central_va

You are entitled to your opinion and I will fight for your right to state it. However, I am not alone in my assessment, just saying.


21 posted on 12/14/2014 6:57:09 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

lol.. Water boarding is not fatal and MANY US service members have gone through it for training purposes. Do you have and unnatural fear of water?

Waterboarding is NOT torture.


22 posted on 12/14/2014 6:57:32 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Yes, it is.


23 posted on 12/14/2014 6:58:30 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I’ve lost count of the threads you are “preaching” on. Say hello to your boss Dianne Feinstein.


24 posted on 12/14/2014 6:59:31 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: yldstrk

You were a female JAG, right?


25 posted on 12/14/2014 6:59:36 AM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: yldstrk

So you do have an unnatural fear of water.


26 posted on 12/14/2014 6:59:46 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Kaslin
Police officer from Anytown, USA: "So why aren't you wearing your motorcycle helmet, sonny? Just exactly what is it you are trying to say with this act of defiance? What social "statement" are you trying to make? Are there others like you trying to break the law? Are there? Who are they? What group are you protecting? Huh? Hey Sarge, get the rubber hoses will ya....."

Condoning it for certain circumstances, condones it for all.

27 posted on 12/14/2014 6:59:58 AM PST by Scooter100
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To: Kaslin

Before this is all said and done, the US Government will apologize to Al Qaeda for all post-911 “aggression”.


28 posted on 12/14/2014 7:02:57 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Yes.


29 posted on 12/14/2014 7:07:34 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: central_va

lol


30 posted on 12/14/2014 7:07:54 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Yeah, I have a healthy respect for water, I used to be a lifeguard. You?


31 posted on 12/14/2014 7:08:38 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
Was waterboarded when I was 19. I still go swimming and take showers and baths. Shortly after that I saw a non US person rip the fingers off of a suspect with a pair of pliers and gain actionable intel that saved US lives. I'll take waterboarding for $500, Alex(over having my fingers ripped off, drills into the kneecap, flesh being cut off or burns any day). So, is Dick Cheney a lair?
32 posted on 12/14/2014 7:16:24 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: yldstrk

Pray tell...how do YOU know “the torture is gratutious”


33 posted on 12/14/2014 7:27:58 AM PST by goodnesswins (whats a Grubercat? A stupid Democrat)
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To: Kaslin

9/11 Widow: “Torture Was Watching What Happened on 9/11”
Dec 12, 2014 — 11:46am
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Via freebeacon.com

Terry Strada, a New Jersey native whose husband Tom Strada was killed in the 9/11 terror attacks, was confounded at Senate Democrats’ decision to release a report on CIA ‘torture’ when, she said, “torture was watching what happened on 9/11.”

“What torture was–torture is watching what happened on 9/11, watching people jump out of the buildings to save themselves, to die as opposed to being burned to death or smoke… I had to listen to my husband on the phone when he called me that morning. Torture is telling your children that their father was killed by terrorists on American soil and our government isn’t standing by our side to help us go after the people that caused it,” Strada told CNN’s Carol Costello on Thursday.

“So I live in a tortured environment, and I don’t think pouring water up their nose or making them walk around naked…it doesn’t matter to me.”

Strada, who has actively supported the Justice Against Supporters of Terrorism Act, said she was frustrated that the Senate has refused to declassify a report containing information leading up to the 9/11 attacks—information Strada says would help give closure for her and her fatherless children.

“Who funded 9/11? Who was behind 9/11? Why am I living without a husband? Why are my children living without a father? We don’t address that. We want to talk about what techniques we’ve used,” Strada said.

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34 posted on 12/14/2014 7:32:17 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: yldstrk

I would cut out the heart of KSM and shove it down his throat if it saved your child or any child. Does that answer your question?


35 posted on 12/14/2014 7:45:45 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: mad_as_he$$

As I indicated previously, I like Dick Cheney, a lot. Saw him speak at a Republican lunch. But I don’t agree with him on this. In the realm of relativity, yeah, sure, you would “take” waterboarding over having your fingers ripped off with pliers, knees drilled, chunks of flesh cut off or being burned, but the line is drawn before you inflict physical touch to get information.

I used to teach Geneva-Hague conventions to huge groups of soldiers as part of a legal requirement—the reality being that if soldiers are aware of their rights they will be more able to assert them. While Geneva-Hague doesn’t protect non-combatants, it sets a baseline Americans operate from.

If they are non-combatants and not entitled to protections, I am less concerned about them and more concerned about the effect torture has on the torturer and what it indicates about Americans.


36 posted on 12/14/2014 7:48:07 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jwalsh07

Well that is a big if as they say. And it would obviously destroy you.


37 posted on 12/14/2014 7:49:01 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin

Speaking of stains, there’s Diane Feinstain.


38 posted on 12/14/2014 7:49:45 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: yldstrk

Drones kill more innocents than bad guys. You prefer this to dunking a known bad guy a few times? And you claim some kind of moral high ground? Only liberals are usually that disordered.


39 posted on 12/14/2014 7:51:26 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: yldstrk

So what?


40 posted on 12/14/2014 7:56:13 AM PST by onedoug
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