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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This study and ones like it assume gasoline powered car’s pollution starts at the tailpipe. It does not. Gasoline itself requires 6-9 kilowatts of electricity to refine plus diesel to transport the gasoline from refinery to gasoline station. Then electricity to pump from gas station tank into car tanks.

“Well to wheel” electric cars are always more efficient and less polluting. A little or a lot depending on sources of electricity for cars and refineries.

And electric cars don’t support the global price of oil. Which support Czar Vladimir, King Abdullah,Caliph Ibrahim,Ayatollah Khamenei, and President-for-Life Maduro.


31 posted on 12/15/2014 3:41:50 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez
“Well to wheel” electric cars are always more efficient and less polluting. A little or a lot depending on sources of electricity for cars and refineries.

Sure, HP to HP. But a 60 mpg gasoline car easily beats the Tesla in operating costs and costs 1/3 or 1/2 what a Tesla costs. Plus the 60 mpg car doesn't cost us taxpayers anything, but rather contributes to the tax base in many ways (unlike the Tesla). So if you are looking for tax payer subsidized luxury, go with the Tesla, but if you interested in savings then get an efficient gas car.

43 posted on 12/15/2014 5:41:05 PM PST by palmer (Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing. Or do nothing. We want Obamanet.)
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To: Reaganez
electric cars are always more efficient

They're not efficient at all. If time is money, I'll drive a TDI coast to coast, you drive an electric.

Who will arrive first and how much later will you get there?

46 posted on 12/15/2014 8:39:39 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Reaganez

“...electric cars are always more efficient and less polluting...”
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47 posted on 12/15/2014 8:48:12 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Reaganez; Oldeconomybuyer; Paladin2; dfwgator; Nifster; central_va; nascarnation; Timber Rattler; ..
“‘Well to wheel’ electric cars are always more efficient and less polluting.”

Besides, the article excerpt at the top of this page paints a misleading picture of what is said in the article. What is cut out, in the very next line is: “The key is where the source of the electricity [of] all-electric cars.”

Reading further, you will see that this article only applies to the absolute highest coal producing states: West Virginia, Wyoming, Ohio, North Dakota, and Illinois. Furthermore, it only applies to those states if you ignore all well-to-tank considerations of gasoline.

At the end of the article it says: “But if the power supply comes from natural gas, the all-electric car produces half as many air pollution health problems as gas-powered cars do. And if the power comes from wind, water or wave energy, it produces about one-quarter of the air pollution deaths.” (You could probably throw nuclear in there as well.)

Coal produces a minority of 39%, and falling, of our electricity. That leaves the majority of our electricity coming from much cleaner sources.

In summary, the article headline was click-bait, and it seems that most people fell for it without reading the article.

48 posted on 12/15/2014 8:59:57 PM PST by LogicDesigner
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