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The college trap that keeps people poor
Washington Post ^ | 12/16/2014 | Jim Tankersley

Posted on 12/16/2014 6:18:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Nevadan

Everything you say is incorrect. Let’s start with the premise that you can’t get ahead in America without factories. Nonsense. My father was murdered by his brothers when I was 9, my mother became a hard-core IV drug user overnight. I was raised in 3rd world poverty because of her choices. Possessing zero advantages or opportunities, and only average brainpower and work ethic, I have made a success of myself. Because this is America, my climb to success was breathtakingly easy. I went to work every day; that’s about it.

Also, your plan would create 10s of millions of unionized filth in this country. More union filth, means more money for dems, more dems in office, more corruption, more corrupt elections, more al frankens, etc.

I would much rather send my money to the communist chinese than to union filth. Union filth have done, and will do more damage to this country than commie chinks.


41 posted on 12/16/2014 7:32:26 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Let’s start with the premise that you can’t get ahead in America without factories. Nonsense.

Unless you want to fight a large sustained war with another world power. Yeah factories are useless < /sarc >

42 posted on 12/16/2014 7:34:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

The percent of manufacturing that is still done in the USA by unionized workers is about 10%. That’s it. You are fighting the last war, get over it.


43 posted on 12/16/2014 7:36:20 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Soul of the South
We can either raise tariffs and rebuild the US manufacturing economy or we can continue down the current road and become another third world hell hole. Government jobs and service jobs will not employ 90 million of our fellow citizens.

Raise tariffs on imported goods, thereby creating an incentive to build factories in this country. I’ll gladly pay fifty cents more for a t-shirt and $2.00 more for a toaster because it will give unskilled American people without college degrees a real opportunity to escape the cycle of poverty and government dependency.

Me too.

You cannot be a first world country based on service industry, the only way to create wealth is to mine it, make it or grow it. That's it.

44 posted on 12/16/2014 7:39:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SamAdams76

re: Having no accountability for fathers is driving the problem of illegitimate children.

So true. And the option of killing the baby in the first place through abortion diminishes the concept of accountability even further.


45 posted on 12/16/2014 7:47:01 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: central_va

Why would you say factories are useless?


46 posted on 12/16/2014 7:54:07 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Doctor 2Brains

You said factories are useless not me.


47 posted on 12/16/2014 7:54:50 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Under your plan, that number would rise greatly, and besides, 10% is still dangerously large. Unions are weakened, no doubt, but please don’t pretend that they are NOT extremely powerful.

Factories mean one thing: millions of uneducated people gathered in buildings, 99% of whom are convinced that they’re really worth 3 times what they are getting paid by their corrupt, rich, evil, capitalist, bosses. They are easily organized, and told how to vote, they put in union rules which allow them to sleep on the job, manufacture junk, and raise the prices of goods, all while voting democrat.


48 posted on 12/16/2014 7:57:48 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: central_va

I did? Show me where.


49 posted on 12/16/2014 7:58:15 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: proxy_user

I am constantly chatting with degreed Millenials who display gaps in their knowledge of the world that was all stuff I had learned by the eighth grade.


50 posted on 12/16/2014 7:58:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Factories mean one thing: millions of uneducated people gathered in buildings, 99% of whom are convinced that they’re really worth 3 times what they are getting paid by their corrupt, rich, evil, capitalist, bosses.

Your opinion of your fellow Americans is really low. There are millions of young people that would love a chance at a steady non union factory job. It would help national security too.

51 posted on 12/16/2014 8:02:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

My opinion of my fellow Americans is indeed VERY low. They are generally ignorant filth—look at the last two pres elections and tell me I’m wrong. Just try. Clinton TWICE????? Really? Only filth could make pull that lever.

FDR, JFK, LBJ, Truman, Carter, Clinton I, Clinton II!!!!, a democrat congress in something lik 55 OF THE LAST 70 years, Obama I, Obama II!!!!!!!!


52 posted on 12/16/2014 8:10:48 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Half the population 150 million people have IQ’s lower that 100. They have to either be employed doing manual or industrial labor or paid to graze on the public farm. Like cows-horny breeding cows. You pick.


53 posted on 12/16/2014 8:14:30 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SamAdams76
Years ago, in Forges maybe, Peggy Noonan wrote of attending a HS graduation, and everybody cheered when a pregnant girl got her diploma.

IIRC, she was of two minds - great for the girl, but does society really want to cheer on a unmarried, not yet legally an adult that can be taken as an example of it being an "okay" practice among the yet to graduate student populace?

Nothing about what the future holds for those that will be tripped up by a more than likely poverty predictor.

54 posted on 12/16/2014 9:52:42 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: goldstategop

Kids these days are denied nothing.

I stopped going to university because I couldn’t afford it. I hit several speed bumps along the way, but at 31 I have my own business budding and I will likely do a fine job once it’s off the ground.

Mental/emotional issues and I daresay that I ma of a clearer mindset and better equipped than I was at 21. It’s a blessing.

As for skills training, yes, I would encourage trade school and university/college later, mainly in the late twenties and early thirties.

I’m sick of the college/university obsession myself.


55 posted on 12/17/2014 5:12:54 AM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Actually, if you read the story, you would see her name is Chelsea, and there are no weaves.

I find it amazing she has done as well as she has given her early childhood of drug exposure. Chelsea will be okay. She has significant resilience. But folks like her are rare and it has to be heart breaking for those who work with people like her as the failure rate is high.


56 posted on 12/17/2014 5:30:22 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: VanDeKoik

College, like most things, is what you make of it. We told our kids that they needed to major in areas where jobs would be available. Our son majored in engineering, and now works as a mechanical engineer. He will always be able to find work. He is constantly called by other companies offering employment. His twin sister is now in grad school studying Speech Language Pathology, with an eye toward working with the elderly and stroke victims. She will not go unemployed. (Yes, we are very proud of them.)

But college is worthless (or worse) if your major is art history, English, philosophy, sociology, etc. They just aren’t manufacturing or selling much philosophy these days. Chances are good that a retail sales job may be in your future if you choose those majors— but you will be a good person to invite to parties!


57 posted on 12/17/2014 5:47:56 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: longtermmemmory

You posted:actually I have observed an actual discouragement of informing fathers. There have been multiple cases of where the father is actually known but is never informed in order for an adoption lawyer to profit from the adoption process.
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Don’t blame the lawyers for this. First, they don’t make a great profit on this sort of case. Second, no lawyers are trolling for this sort of work. People come to them seeking to adopt or place a child for adoption. In my state fathers must be given notice and an opportunity to consent (or not) to the adoption.


58 posted on 12/17/2014 5:53:43 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: SeekAndFind
Blah, blah, blah...

Then she got pregnant. Then she was 17, working two jobs to feed herself and her daughter, Kiara. She started college and tried to carry a full load of classes, and it was too much. She dropped out. And there went her chance at the middle class, racing away across the plains...

This has always been the case with teenage pregnancy.

59 posted on 12/18/2014 8:54:20 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: NCLaw441

same in this state. There are lawyers who are KNOWN for being able to arrange adoptions and have sets of instructions for expectant unwed mothers. (father unknown, notice by publication, and the adopting wanabe parents pay the legal fees which are NOT cheap)


60 posted on 12/19/2014 9:54:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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