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To: Tucker39
So far it seems to me that opposition to Article V boils down to about four objections:

1. It won't work -so don't bother trying.

2. It won't work, even if it does work, because "they" will undo it, ignore it, or somehow overrule it, so don't bother trying.

3. It will work, but don't try it because it will work only for the other side.

4. No opinion on whether it will work or will not work, but the Constitution we have is just fine so the solution offered by the Constitution itself in Article V should be ignored in favor of redoubling our efforts and doing more of the same every election cycle because this time we will get different results.

Which category are you in?


14 posted on 12/17/2014 9:03:42 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford; Tucker39

nathanbedford: right on point with your 4 observations.

Tucker39: I’d add to nathanbedford’s list the old saying about the 4 boxes required to make freedom work - ballot box, jury box, soap box, and ammo box. It seems those opposing an Article V convention of states would then be saying change can only be achieved through the 4th box.


21 posted on 12/17/2014 9:21:36 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: nathanbedford

My opposition is this ... a Constitutional Convention puts EVERYTHING on the table for discussion. Want to re-write that pesky right to bear arms ... no problemo. Want to eliminate checks and balances ... easy peasy. Want to pack the supreme court ... go for it. Want to change America from a Republic to a Democracy, a Monarchy or a Dictatorship? You got the power baby! Everything ... and I mean everything from the Bill of Rights to each Amendment in the constitution gets to be RE-WRITTEN. People pushing this cr*p are the spawn of Satan because it literally would be the end of America.

Now, just who do you think would actually be at the convention and be allowed to vote? Can you guarantee that you can give me a majority of delegates that would actually stand up for America and not be socialists in disguise? ... Would it be you or me voting? Hell no! It would be the morons that got us into this mess in the first place ... and we would be taking off what little leash we have on them and telling them to do the right thing. Only a complete idiot would sign up for that ...


30 posted on 12/17/2014 10:28:27 AM PST by RainMan (It's mourning in America.)
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To: nathanbedford

I’m in the category: Go for it but have a back-up plan just in case.

Go for it and hope that all hoops get jumped through - good, solid proposed amendments (ones that would result in a massive, hopefully 80%, reduction in government); well-written amendments that will minimize SCOTUS rewrite from the bench (hard to do - they would try to redefine “is” if they could); 38 states ratify; the biggie: finding the mechanisms of enforcement that will actually shut down otherwise eternal-life bureaucracies and force tens of thousands of government workers out of their government jobs. IMO this willing self-destruction of government which I’m not sure has ever been seen in history, would truly be a miracle, but America was founded on such miracles.

Back-up plan: state nullification of unconstitutional laws and rulings leading to possible financial independence from the feds after they threaten to cut off funding.


35 posted on 12/17/2014 11:02:03 AM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: nathanbedford

I am in number five... Fourteenth amendment prohibiting those who have gone against the constitution from ever holding any elected office unless congress votes to overturn... Enforce the one we have with the tenacity of a pit bull. Art iii sect iii. Or is it ii ii of xiv


97 posted on 12/20/2014 4:08:47 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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