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Is Ruble Collapse Act of War-Paul Craig Roberts
USAWatchDog ^ | 12/17/2014 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 12/17/2014 12:58:34 PM PST by GilGil

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To: GilGil

“Citigroup got put into the recent spending bill, the repeal of this, so they can gamble on derivatives, and taxpayers and depositors are on the hook for the losses.”

If this is true then we are in deeper than I thought. Somebody say it ain’t so.


21 posted on 12/17/2014 1:46:45 PM PST by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: GilGil

Putin is the same loser he’s always been. His incompetence has run his country into the ditch again.


22 posted on 12/17/2014 1:50:08 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: GilGil
Russia can default on all its European $1.5 trillion loans and send the whole of Europe into a collapse and drag the world economy with it.

You touched on a subject I thought about many years ago.

First a little background -MPC is Military Payment Certificate money it looks like monopoly money.

Upon arriving in Korea you had to turn in all your greenbacks and get the equivalent in MPC.

When I was in Korea for months, all of a sudden they told us to turn in all our MPC money immediately, like, by noon the next day.
The Army then reimbursed you with the equivalent of the new MPC.

This had the effect of defrauding anyone outside of the military that had large amounts of old MPC. The old MPC became worthless, and could never be turned back in for Greenbacks.

So I got to wonder what if a country decides to default and has its citizens turn in their money for a new currency issue and the outsiders get stuck with useless money.

I realize it gets messy and there are a lot of considerations like letting selected friendly countries, or countries you depend on, off the hook.

Pretty complicated, and probably a straight up default on selected debts is the easiest option.

But the way the world is going, nothing can be ruled out.

Just wondering. - Tom

23 posted on 12/17/2014 1:54:59 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: 1rudeboy

Wasn’t Bush supposed to nuke an East Coast city to excuse an attack on Iran?


24 posted on 12/17/2014 1:55:00 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: GilGil

Paul Craig Roberts, formerly of the editorial board of the WSJ and assistant secy of the treasury, has morphed into a full-on crank in his old age. He still has a few interesting insights, but largely comes across as a lip-smacking doddering old fool.


25 posted on 12/17/2014 2:00:13 PM PST by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Didn’t Soros try this once before? Has anybody seen him in the last month?


26 posted on 12/17/2014 2:17:12 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: GilGil

Going by the Title

Act of War...

Does this clown realize what type of fire he is messing with by breaching that idea publicly?

By the mere mention of it, he gives the idea credence on the public stage.

That is a massive mistake. All Putin needs to do is think he is justified by taking military action.

Good grief this is idiotic.


27 posted on 12/17/2014 2:21:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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To: GilGil

Folks, oil has taken a massive hit. Russia relies on oil exports. Roberts doesn’t seem to grasp the significance of this.

If you as a person or your nation as an entity loses over a third of your income for your leading commodity, you’re going to have problems.

This has caused the Ruble to experience downward pressure.

Further, sanctions of the West over Putin’s invasion of a neighbor nation may not be heaven sent, but they are rational. They are measures short of military action, and get the point across that treachery is not without it’s pitfalls.

Roberts raising the ‘Act of War’ specter here, is unforgivable. Moron...


28 posted on 12/17/2014 2:38:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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To: GilGil

The US produces more oil. The price of oil comes down. How is that an attack?


29 posted on 12/17/2014 2:54:37 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: DoughtyOne

I’ll wager this is all over the Russian “media.”


30 posted on 12/17/2014 4:02:17 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: GilGil

First RATIONAL assessment that I’ve seen of this insanity.


31 posted on 12/17/2014 4:23:37 PM PST by BobL (I'm so old, I can remember when most hate crimes were committed by whites - Thomas Sowell, 2014)
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To: 1rudeboy

If I were a leader in trouble in Russia, I’d make sure it was.


32 posted on 12/17/2014 4:39:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Putin is in a bit of a pickle here. He has ordered his image to be built up domestically as a sort of a demi-god. Now it is extremely difficult for him to admit that Russia indeed is a gas station masquerading as a country and the price of gas just dropped.

If he uses the excuse of oil price lowering being behind Russia's troubles then he indirectly admits it is not his genius, but an oil price rising that was behind recent well being of Russians.

He came to power in 2000 and this is what the oil price has done since.


33 posted on 12/17/2014 5:49:07 PM PST by Krosan
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To: pleasenotcalifornia

>> Somebody say it ain’t so. <<

If said by Paul Craig Roberts, noted apologist for Putin, it probably ain’t so.


34 posted on 12/17/2014 5:50:15 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

I think he may be at least partially write. I found this after I read your post.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/12/10/swap-talk-why-are-people-fighting-over-dodd-frank-and-derivatives/?mod=WSJBlog


35 posted on 12/17/2014 6:30:30 PM PST by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: Hawthorn

I know Putin is a rotten person but how is he that much less corrupt and dictatorial than President Obama? How much worse is the present Russian government compared to Obama’s control of our federal government?


36 posted on 12/17/2014 6:49:02 PM PST by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: pleasenotcalifornia

Think of Putin, the bare-chested one, as Obama on steroids . . . and you will get the picture.


37 posted on 12/17/2014 7:12:27 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: GladesGuru

~Stupidity in matters financial = war?

IMHO, Russia worked long and hard to achieve its present financial problems.~

You certainly make sense right now, but starting a trade war on Russia is the biggest gift for its politicians they can imagine to explain their voters that it is not actually their fault.


38 posted on 12/17/2014 9:28:03 PM PST by wetphoenix
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To: GilGil

Also keep in mind that the Chinese economy is grinding to a abrupt halt right now.


39 posted on 12/17/2014 10:38:08 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: pleasenotcalifornia; Hawthorn

It’s so....

Presenting The $303 Trillion In Derivatives That US Taxpayers Are Now On The Hook For

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3236486/posts


40 posted on 12/17/2014 10:46:47 PM PST by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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