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Marco Rubio calls out pope on Cuba
Politico ^ | 12/17/14 | Lauren French and Seung Min Kim

Posted on 12/18/2014 4:17:04 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Marco Rubio calls out pope on Cuba

By Lauren French and Seung Min Kim

| 12/17/14 2:14 PM EST | Updated 12/17/14 4:23 PM EST

Sen. Marco Rubio, a Catholic, criticized Pope Francis on Wednesday after the pontiff played a key role in helping the United States and Cuba forge an agreement that resulted in the release of American Alan Gross from Cuba.

Rubio said he would “ask His Holiness to take up the cause of freedom and democracy.”

The Florida Republican said he didn’t criticize Francis’ personal appeals to help facilitate Gross’ release, but was speaking in response to the White House’s announcement about talks to normalize relations with Cuba after a nearly 50-year embargo with the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cuba; marcorubio; obama; popefrancis

1 posted on 12/18/2014 4:17:04 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I don't like Rubio, but I agree that the Pope should have butted out of this and other such political matters. John Paul II, he ain't.
2 posted on 12/18/2014 4:19:55 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Given that the Vatican normalized its own diplomatic relations with Cuba in 1996, under John Paul II who certainly can’t be accused of being a crypto-communist, I don’t see much grounds for being very critical of Pope Francis on this one.


3 posted on 12/18/2014 4:20:56 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: fatnotlazy

You didn’t like John Paul II helping to bring down the Iron Curtain?


4 posted on 12/18/2014 4:21:48 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Popes should stay out of politics. That’s what totally corrupted them in the middle ages.


5 posted on 12/18/2014 4:23:38 AM PST by ransacked
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To: Hieronymus

Huh?


6 posted on 12/18/2014 4:27:07 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: ransacked
I could accept John Paul's involvement in that he was anti-communist. Not so sure about the current pope.
7 posted on 12/18/2014 4:29:10 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Vatican and was infiltrated by communist decades ago and has done crap like this in Latin America for as long as I can remember. The last time they fought for freedom was during the Cristero War in mexico.


8 posted on 12/18/2014 4:29:19 AM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Gross violation of “Separation of church and state”....The Pope negotiates for the USA?? How crazy is that?


9 posted on 12/18/2014 4:38:21 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: fatnotlazy

The church hierarchy must stay out of politics. Just Monday tgis week I had to explain to kids why he cannot condemn Islam the way bush should have but didn’t, using the murdered nun as an example

The usccb butts in in immigration, and Rubio would be heard a lot more clearly on this if he would tell them to butt out on immigration but he’s a hypocrite her as well

The church states it cannot condemn abortion because of its being a political matter yet they go and do this

If any of them would simply consult the catechism they’d have guidance

All of these people are wrong

And the pope should not be butting in here


10 posted on 12/18/2014 4:50:24 AM PST by stanne
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Pope, as well as most credible religious leaders, will work to help the oppressed no matter where they are.


11 posted on 12/18/2014 5:11:02 AM PST by RetSignman (Obama is the walking, talking middle finger in the face of America)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
When the Church gets into politics and other diversions like global warming, etc., it dilutes the purpose of the Church - carrying the Word of God to those who haven't heard it and who need to be saved.

Our pastor displays very conservative opinions and faithfully carries the Word. he mentioned that we don't know (and never will) whether he associates with the Donkey or the Elephant of politics - it isn't his purpose to get political. The Church's purpose is to carry the Word and bear faithful witness to Jesus Christ - period.

12 posted on 12/18/2014 5:12:52 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Best news I’ve heard about this. More Catholics should do likewise. The Pope is not a political authority and should not be working with Obama to implement his leftist political views.

The Pope is now “working on closing Guantanamo,” btw. I read this last week in the Italian press - he had a long meeting with some Obama administration representatives to discuss the matter.


13 posted on 12/18/2014 5:12:56 AM PST by livius
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To: Hieronymus

The Vatican having diplomatic relations with a place is a lot different from the US having diplomatic relations with a proven hostile power...which has done nothing to indicate that it has in any way moderated its hostility or support for other hostiles.


14 posted on 12/18/2014 5:14:55 AM PST by livius
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You don’t know what the pope knows nor why. What you do know is a Castro still has firm control and people suffer. Perhaps flooding them with our materialism and pornography will finally bring them down. Perhaps them seeing the differences between Americans and Cubans via internet will bring a revolution.

Either way, something different ought be tried to work not only FASTER, but ACTUALLY work.

First and foremost, like JP2.....the Catholic Church getting more freedom for religion may do what she did in Poland against communism.

The Church believes reason and faith work together like two lungs of the same being....unlike some posters who stop using reason and immediately dump faith.


15 posted on 12/18/2014 5:34:36 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If the Pope wants to care for Cuba, why doesn’t he do it himself and try to set up free speech churches there? Oh, so sorry, Cuba prefers mosques.


16 posted on 12/18/2014 5:40:00 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: fatnotlazy

You can’t have it both ways—either the Pope does get involved with matters of prudence or he doesn’t. Insofar as he does, sometimes he will do things we agree with and sometimes he will do things that we don’t agree with. On the balance, I think Papal involvement in these sorts of things has been to the good.

One may disagree with the wisdom of the U.S. in normalizing relations with Cuba, but if the U.S. wants to and the Vatican already has, facilitating the desires of the U.S. seems a no-brainer. It is not up to the Vatican to tell the U.S.—”We could help you in the way you want to be helped, but we think that for you it is a bad idea.”


17 posted on 12/18/2014 6:11:25 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good. Marco is right. This ass sucking of dictators WILL NOT help the Cuban people....it will only help the ruling class of Cuba and the crony capitalists in the USA.

The Cuban people will STILL not get free and fair elections.


18 posted on 12/18/2014 7:12:42 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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Not to put too fine a line but dirty years of sanction didn’t bring the castros down. Perhaps a change in tactic is good to remove the government excuses for why Cuba is poor and the Castro regime will fall under the weight of ita own contradictions with no one to blame


19 posted on 12/18/2014 7:18:22 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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