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The Gay Heretic Episcopalian Bishop is back for Christmas. I am sure there are freepers who could tear apart His Grace for the bad history and theology. This is what I noticed. Mary and Joseph were not penniless. Joseph was a carpenter. Carpenters at that time and today is a skilled trade. He would of been more a member of the middle class. When Mary and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem they most likely crashed at relatives. As with modern holidays sometimes there are too many crashers so they ended up in the grotto on the bottom floor of the residence where animals were brought in for the evening. Robinson then claims Jesus and the Holy Family when they fled to Egypt were like today's illegal immigrants. Robinson seems to forget that the whole Mediterranean was controlled by the Roman Empire. There was no border for the family to cross. Why do you think Peter and Paul were able to travel extensively throughout the Eastern Mediterranean during their missionary work?
1 posted on 12/25/2014 7:51:22 AM PST by C19fan
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Jesus wasn't born “a buggerer,” either.
2 posted on 12/25/2014 7:53:21 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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parents who were part of a people under occupation.

Sounds to me more like he's comparing them to the Palestinians than to the Mexicans.

Unless he's claiming that Tejas "occupies" birthright Mexican land.

3 posted on 12/25/2014 7:54:33 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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Hm, As I recall Jesus was born to a traditional male & female marriage where the father worked and the mother was a stay at home mom.


4 posted on 12/25/2014 7:56:11 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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Me neither. So whats your point?


6 posted on 12/25/2014 7:56:34 AM PST by marron
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Actually, when he was a toddler, he was one of the richest men in the Middle East, what with those gifts of Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh.


7 posted on 12/25/2014 7:56:46 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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Really dog-tired of clergymen conflating cowardice and appeasement with conviction and faith, as well as their make-it-up-as-you-go definition of Christianity ie it’s merely a question of being nice.

This reads like a bad parody of Mr Rogers with its patronizing tone.


8 posted on 12/25/2014 7:57:09 AM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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I picked up on that right away.

There is nothing in the New Testament that gives any indication that the Holy Family lived in poverty. Jesus Christ was born in a manger because there was no room for them at the inn, with the unusually large number of travelers during the census of Caesar Augustus.

I didn't even read past that flagrant misrepresentation on the author's part.

9 posted on 12/25/2014 7:59:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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He’s returning as King of the Universe, and with a sword. How do they like them apples?


11 posted on 12/25/2014 8:02:11 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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The sodomite heretic magically discovers that Christianity is all about being a Marxist.

Note the use of “inclusive language.” I.e., Lesbonics.


14 posted on 12/25/2014 8:04:28 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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Jewish Jesus and family worked for a living and paid taxes. He didn’t organize protests against the government rotten as it was. His mission was far beyond the petty BS of humanity. The Son of God come in the flesh. What a monumental event of eternal, historical proportions. Over 2000 years later He is celebrated over the world like no other. Rotgut mad Mohammed is a speck of dust in no comparison.


16 posted on 12/25/2014 8:09:21 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny, dontchyaknow.)
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The Gay Heretic Episcopalian Bishop is leading people to the wide gate. Is he doing this because he wants company?


18 posted on 12/25/2014 8:13:35 AM PST by boycott
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after all, being sensitive to others’ religious beliefs ought to be the attitude of every Christian


Like Jesus was with the religious Pharisees? Like God was with Nineveh in the book of Nahum? Neither John the Baptist nor the apostle Paul seemed particularly sensitive to the religious beliefs of others.

I thank God that there are people who love others enough to tell the truth and when I was still a youngster told me Jesus died for my sins, and what God’s judgment would be if I rejected his mercy and grace.

And I get weary of the American folk Christianity that tells me to be nice and milquetoast, pious, and holy all the time. That’s what got our country in the mess its in! I get even more frustrated when liberals tell me that what good little Christians do. Patrick Henry, John Adams, and George Washington were devout men of Faith and they were not afraid to speak the Truth.

Merry Christmas


19 posted on 12/25/2014 8:17:05 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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Jesus was not “Born Poor”. To coin a biblical phrase, He owned the cows on a thousand hills. The Earth was his creation. Everything on the planet was and is His.

As to his parents being “poor”, it should be noted that Jesus was born in a manger because “There was no room in the Inn.” They had the resources to stay at the Inn, but there was simply no room.


20 posted on 12/25/2014 8:17:10 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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There was the gold, frankincense, and myrrh. There was also the small detail that all of heaven was present. Oh and that the world centered around Jesus.


21 posted on 12/25/2014 8:17:24 AM PST by Raycpa
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Our current poor in the u.s. are wealthier and healthier than any Roman citizen during that century.


23 posted on 12/25/2014 8:22:04 AM PST by Raycpa
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Gene Robinson is a classic leftist hero; my guess is that this is the best they could do in terms of pro-gay “Christians”. The man had two young daughters, ages 7 and 10, when he started an affair with someone much younger than his wife. A year later, he left his wife and daughters to move in with his new “partner”. Even if you completely ignore the fact that this was for a gay relationship, his conduct was reprehensible.

The fiction supporting Bishop Robinson as a modern Christian role model is very much like the fiction supporting unarmed black teens such as Trayvon Martin and Gentle Giant Michael Brown as examples of violence against black men. If these really are the best examples the left can manufacture, then anti-black racism in America is dead, and there isn’t a shred of logic among those who claim to be Christian and also to approve of choosing to engage in homosexual actions.


26 posted on 12/25/2014 8:33:12 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Robinson then claims Jesus and the Holy Family when they fled to Egypt were like today's illegal immigrants. Robinson seems to forget that the whole Mediterranean was controlled by the Roman Empire.

Not exactly.

Judea at the time was part of Herod the Great's client kingdom. Egypt was directly ruled by Rome. So there most certainly was a border. Which is of course why they fled to Egypt. It was outside Herod's control, being on the other side of the border.

Client kingdoms were part of the initial strategy of Rome in newly controlled areas. Directly ruling would be too expensive and cumbersome, so they subcontracted rule to local aristocrats, who remained in power as long as they paid their tributes and remained in favor with the Emperor.

The Empire didn't much care how they treated their own people.

29 posted on 12/25/2014 8:35:07 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”


31 posted on 12/25/2014 8:41:06 AM PST by LeonardFMason (LanceyHoward would AGREE)
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Slick Willy Clinton assured me some years ago that Jesus’ family was homeless.

He didn’t mention anything about them paying their “fair share” of taxes to the government.


32 posted on 12/25/2014 8:41:55 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away)
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Um, actually He was, or was rich by age 2, when about 100 kings gave His family gifts of gold, francensence and myrrh. Joseph and Mary had a lot of dough, but saved it on the instructions of the angel, who had told them Jesus was meant for big things.


33 posted on 12/25/2014 8:44:53 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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