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To: reformedliberal
Screw all open border losers.

You obviously do not understand economics. If the border were sealed shut your friend would learn real quick about back stabbing America.

It seems Freepers that feel the need to let everyone know the are ex-liberals in their handle are always an issue. It is advertizing you were a brain dead loser at one point, part of the problem. I would keep it a secret myself only out of shame.

-- good day

48 posted on 12/30/2014 1:30:01 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I don’t see how a visa program that has been in effect for decades is an open borders issue. Not one of these workers has violated US borders. Not one of these employers has done a thing to hurt any American. Instead, good food is produced at the best possible price. These visas are not cheap and a lot of time & effort is required on the part of the employer. The workers are paid well, housed well and treated well. The business pays a lot of taxes at all levels. What is wrong with workers coming here and then going home? Some of these workers have been doing these jobs for the same employers for over ten years. They don’t want to live here, permanently.

Your alternative is....? No one comes here to work, nothing is produced and all food is imported? You would shut down American farming and lessen our food security.

Maybe you would prefer some sort of conscription service, sort of like Pol Pot’s, where every American is mandated to work on farms or perhaps a closed country “sealed shut” like every communist gulag?

Start a farming business with only American workers.

Recruit American workers to agricultural jobs.

Show everyone how it works.

Economics: My husband and I have worked for ourselves running our own business, sometimes with employees, since 1975. We create products and services, have a great credit score, have never been bankrupt, have taken no public money, have paid exorbitant taxes and have even survived this present political/economic situation.

As to my handle: 15 years ago, I thought it was good to be honest. I also thought that having experience on the left would be appreciated. However, there is a contingent here that apparently resents us. Perhaps we intrude on the echo chamber by correcting suppositions founded more in rhetoric than in fact.

Yes, there are many of us. Most of us were classical liberals, just like the Founders. We were personally impacted as the American classical liberal tradition turned totalitarian. We survived the fire. Seems to me that is cause for congratulations. Each of us is one less D voter. One more R voter (or not, considering the present GOPe). One more person supporting this site. All of us living proof that everyone can change.

Ad hominems redound against those who use them. They negate any opportunity for discussion. If you query the former liberals, most of them will explain that it is precisely that sort of response that characterizes the American Left, caused us to question their foundation and motives and turned us towards conservatism. You might also want to research the term “projection”.

Happy New Year to you, too.


49 posted on 12/30/2014 8:42:21 PM PST by reformedliberal
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