Posted on 01/01/2015 11:08:05 AM PST by Jonah Vark
That would be because birthers are hysterical nutjobs.
Alinsky would be so proud.
Of birthers? No doubt. No one’s made conservatives look so ridiculous in a long while.
As I suspected you might say.
What you call “birthers” are not those that propound clairvoyant knowlege contrary to any truly established fact about Barry. Rather, we want the facts of Barry Soetoro’s life no longer to be sequestered by millions of dollars to lawyers that have worked to keep such facts hidden. These facts about which I’m writinging are merely ones that every citizen (or non-citizen) is required to produce on a daily basis, without qualm, for dozens of mundane purposes.
Such facts about Barry’s background he routinely has had his lawyers argue in court that we have no standing to request, when clearly, he has gone around laws-for example, necessitating production of such documents to certify eligibility for elective office. If a nation is truly built upon laws and not governed by untouchable tyrants, such facts would not be able to be kept from public view. These are issues whose merits are daily tried in courts of law. Barry’s well-paid lawyers, however, do battle in court to keep the citizenry from knowing the facts about him.
What you pejoratively (and mindlessly) call “birthers” are merely those that recognize the laws of the land were meant to be applied to everyone equally and wish to see that borne out through the many conflicting evidentiary details about Barry’s existence and the official documents he’s filed or withheld.
The average person you call “birther” wishes only run-of-the mill adherence to the same laws to which the rest of the citizenry is subject.
Your reliance on the negative ascriptions your ilk have foisted upon that term shows you to be a coward hiding behind politically-correct nonsense that is openly contrary to fact.
Since you’re clearly not in possession of a Conservative mind—one that would not speak so derisively about facts withheld from courts and the people that merely wish to see laws equally applied to all, you should recognize that Free Republic was not intended for your derisions. Please find some other place where you’ll feel more at home without undue insult to your neighbors.
HF
The Obots play a ‘These are not the droids you’re looking for,’ and the weak-minded fall for it.
For example, in Obot-Alinsky world, believing that Obama is truthful and honest = calm rationality.
Doubting Obama’s truthfulness and acknowledging the pervasiveness with which he lies = hysterical nutjobs.
As I said, only the weak-minded fall for it.
The Obots play a ‘These are not the droids you’re looking for,’ and the weak-minded fall for it.
should be:
The Obots play a ‘These are not the droids you’re looking for,’ game, and the weak-minded fall for it.
Imho, he’s a conservative. I.e.: he’s one of those dreary, intellectually insecure conservatives who has to prove, at least to himself, how ‘smart’ he is by buying Obot-Alinsky lies lock, stock and barrel. (There are more of them around than you might think.)
Sadly, while ‘proving’ their acumen to themselves, these types become partners in crime with the stupider Obots, and the laughingstock of the really smart ones [of which there are a few; a *very* few, but a smattering].
This is just my personal opinion...but I have a tractor-trailer load full of evidence to back it up.
It's no wonder the Left, whose lead you're sheepishly following, would engage in the mindless "birther" ascription, contrary to evidence, as you--a person for whom even Fantasywriter has granted a "conservative" appellation, quickly credit that as sufficiently persuasive to be able to ignore the gravity of things said by people so labeled. For myself, I would think a "conservative" would always allow for the sway of the merits of evidence and reasoning openly to aid in my thinking, especially from those of similar political persuasion.
For Barry's birth certificate question (h/t Joan Swirsky):
"- A major TV talk-show host reported that he was ordered not to raise the birth certificate issue or risk losing his job.
- FCC officials threatened to yank broadcasting licenses, break up conglomerates, and make the enactment of the Fairness Doctrine “look mild” in comparison to other consequences.
- In at least one corporate TV headquarters, memos were circulated to all on-air employees not to mention the birth certificate issue, as well as other specific subjects like Obama’s Illinois lawyer’s license, his college records, etc., under both implied and explicit threats."
For your average political thinker, this, in combination with the willingness to spend several million dollars on Perkins Coie's legal services for these very purposes, amounts to "plenty of smoke", which of course, suggests fire.
HF
Fantasywriter: “How can you claim to be for Palin if you don’t believe what she says?”
I quoted Governor Palin on the Obama faith and citizenship issues. She made a definitive statement and I do indeed believe what she said.
She believes in sticking with what really matters and she outlined what she believes those issues that really matter to be.
The problem is that you speak of ‘Republican leadership’ as though it is of any earthly use to conservatives/the country. And you do so with trollish frequency. Palin takes the opposite view of the Permanent Political Class.
It is a charade, and a silly/stupid one, to claim you support Palin while at the same time putting forth the Ruling Elite as a real solution for anything. Only if you see eradicating corruption as a problem, would you see the Permanent Political Class as the solution.
People whose biggest concern is not to look stupid will do incredibly stupid things. This is particularly true of conservatives who have fallen for the Obot-Alinsky lies re: Obama’s nativity tale. They are literally less focused on facts and evidence than on the horror of being associated with a ‘conspiracy’ the Obots claim attracts only ‘hysterical nutjobs.’
Once a person—even a conservative—gets to that point, the evidence can’t break through. The person is too intellectually frozen by the terror of looking stupid to effectively evaluate facts or evidence. They just repeat, by rote, the basic elements of the Obots’ ‘argument,’ liberally sprinkled, with Turrets-like frequency, over-the-top pejoratives. (Only in the Alinskyite world of liberal-think would the side whose ‘argument’ rests primarily on throwing out hyperbolic insults, be considered intellectually superior. But that is what it comes down to—and conservatives who fall for it are in the same boat.)
For such people, the discussion becomes a fact, evidence, rationality and logic-free exercise. Rather, it is simply a case of assuring—primarily themselves—that they are ‘smart anti-birthers,’ as opposed to the ‘hysterical nutjob’ alternative.
That’s why trying to reason with conservative anti-birthers typically goes nowhere. Birthers think the discussion is about facts, logic and evidence. For the conservative who has bought the Alinsky line, it’s *all* about not looking stupid. Thus this comment you made:
‘I would think a “conservative” would always allow for the sway of the merits of evidence and reasoning openly to aid in my thinking,’
doesn’t apply. The conservative anti-birther dares not weigh the actual merits of evidence, etc. To do so would imply they are giving actual consideration to the ‘hysterical nutjob’ side of the argument—and they are too horrified of being thought stupid to do so.
If that makes sense?
I said nothing at all in this thread about Republican leadership. I quoted Sarah Palin on Obama’s faith and citizenship after you inquired about my support for her.
Sarah Palin believes the Obama eligibility issue is “a distraction” and that others who pursue it are “annoying.” I agree with her.
You can try to change the subject to a discussion of Republican leadership on a thread about Obama birth certificate forgery but you won’t find me following you there.
‘I said nothing at all in this thread about Republican leadership.’
Oh really?
From post #10
‘What would have really helped to draw more mainstream media attention to this issue would have been if the *Republican leadership* in the House of Representatives had held committee hearings on Obama’s eligibility once they took the majority in 2011.’ [Emphasis mine.]
Correction:
‘From post #10’
should be:
‘From *your* post #10’
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