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Would we have won WWII with today's media and liberals
My opinion ^ | 1/4/2015 | Self

Posted on 01/04/2015 9:01:57 AM PST by shoedog

WOULD WE HAVE WON WWII WITH TODAY'S PC CULTURE? 1/4/2015 0 Comments

Watching the media and liberals go crazy over the "Torture Report" makes me wonder what would have happened if they lived and reported during World War II. First, since FDR was President, they may have been fine since it was one of their own making the rules.

Anyone who has researched WWII knows that part of the war meant civilians were going to be killed. In order to win a war you cannot handcuff your military on rules of engagement. In Europe we had strategic bombings in the countries of our allies to attack German positions, civilians died. In one of the most aggressive actions later in the war the Allies firebombed and destroyed the city of Dresden, again killing thousands. In Japan, to bring the war to a finish, we dropped two Atom Bombs on major cities killing tens of thousands of people. This directly led to the surrender of Japan. Would today's media and liberal celebrated, or would they have condemned us as a country and demanded Truman and others be brought up on charges for murder?

People will argue that times were different , and indeed they were. It will also be pointed out that these were Nations that declared war on the U.S. not terror organizations. These are valid points. However, in many of the places we are battling ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, the areas where we can attack have civilians that provide support and aid to the organizations. Certainly there are many in the area that do not. However, in WWII there were many civilians that undoubtedly disagreed with there leaders that lived in the cities that were bombed. The decision has to be made do we want to win and decapitate the enemy or not? If we are not committed to winning the battle, we simply put our men and women in the services in danger for no good reason. Limiting the rules of engagement put these brave soldiers in harms way. Part of defeating the enemy is to gain information from those that are captured. These parties did not sign onto the Geneva convention as they are not governments. They will use any and all forms of cruelty and death to murder Americans. While we use enhanced interrogation methods, these people also kept in accommodations that provide them more luxuries then many had where they lived.

There is an irony of the media and liberal gnashing of teeth over the "Torture Report" and calling for indictments on those involved. The liberals and media stay strangely silent on the use of drone strikes to target terrorists and even American's deemed as threats in foreign countries. The strikes have killed many innocent civilians. Somehow I find it incredible that "torture" that leaves no sustained injuries and was done to a small select group of individuals, is a crime. However killing these same sort of individuals, along with civilians is just fine? That is the paradox of today's liberal establishment and mainstream media.

Hopefully, in time, politics first for these people would be replaced by America first.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: shoedog

You blogged correctly, on Free Republic. You did not excerpt. Well done.


21 posted on 01/04/2015 9:21:52 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: Morpheus2009
People trying to protest as the lengths they would go to today, would not be approved.

You should look back at our deadly riots of the WWII era.

22 posted on 01/04/2015 9:22:53 AM PST by ansel12 (They hate us, because they ain't us.)
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To: shoedog
"How the modern media would have covered D-Day": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px_XBJHrs4I
23 posted on 01/04/2015 9:23:28 AM PST by Maceman
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To: ansel12

Forgot the USAF ?


24 posted on 01/04/2015 9:24:18 AM PST by jabbermog (Fight Climate Change - Stop Bacteria Farting !)
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To: shoedog


25 posted on 01/04/2015 9:24:34 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: shoedog

The thing about WWII was that the entire country was behind the military. They all or very nearly all, worked together for the cause.

It probably helped that we and the Soviet Union were on the same side. Even people such as Lindberg who had opposed the war did whatever they could for the victory.

America was a different world back then. For instance the Empire State Building was completed ahead of time and under budget. Japanese Ace Saburo Sakai flew a captured B-17 and mentions in his biography how impressed he was with the workmanship.

Truly a different world.


26 posted on 01/04/2015 9:24:42 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: shoedog
A resounding NO! The government is way too much pansy and would inflict rules of engagement on the troops guaranteed to get them killed, and as far as the new "man" from which to recruit those troops:


27 posted on 01/04/2015 9:25:32 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: ansel12

And good reason in WWII to suspend freedom because of the riots. They also suspended freedoms during our Civil War. I can understand why rights get suspended during wartime. They thankfully had the sense as Congress and the POTUS to suspend freedoms for the sake of public safety. And it is constitutional what they did in both wars.


28 posted on 01/04/2015 9:25:56 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: shoedog
Your question is has merit. But even more relevant is your statement; "First, since FDR was President, they may have been fine since it was one of their own making the rules."

Not only was FDR a liberal Democrat, he and his high administration were Communists. And we entered WWII riding to the rescue of Communist Russia.

Because Communist Russia was our ally; they, our own Communists, and their fellow travelers ceased their subversive activities in America (but not their spying). This was a massive boost to our war effort as it allowed unity of effort, the last time in our history.

So one answer to your question is: "Yes". Because we have the same liberal news media. And they would have received the same "instructions" from their masters to support the rescue of Communist Russia.

I do not believe the situations are quite that blatant. But they are close.

29 posted on 01/04/2015 9:26:19 AM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: jabbermog
Forgot the USAF ?

Did not exist in WW II.

30 posted on 01/04/2015 9:26:45 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: shoedog

We must understand and have empathy for our enemies-Hugh Rodham


31 posted on 01/04/2015 9:27:26 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: tcrlaf

Eisenhower and Churchill agonized over a possible 160,000 French civilians being killed in massive Allied bombing of France in the days before D-Day.

Churchill faced the problem of getting along with post war France with so many civilians killed. After consulting with Allied French military leaders and resistance members, the decision was made for all out bombing after the French told them if it killed twice that many civilians, it would be worth it to be rid of the German occupation forces. The rest is history.


32 posted on 01/04/2015 9:28:40 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: shoedog
If we had today's government in the WWII era, full of weasles, communists, racists and crooks led by an America hating, illegal alien, enemy agent,
all enabled and encouraged by a nation hating media, everyone east of the Mississippi would be goose stepping and speaking German while those
on the west coast would be kowtowing to the Japanese Emporeor and speaking Japanese.
33 posted on 01/04/2015 9:31:02 AM PST by Iron Munro (Conservative Epitaph: Don't Cry For Me , You Still Have Two More Years Of Obama)
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To: Travis McGee

If that isn’t photoshopped, then that image, alone, answers the question with the certainty that most of us already know.


34 posted on 01/04/2015 9:31:28 AM PST by Obadiah (If the RINOs engineer the 2016 Primary for their guy, I will sit out the General for my guy.)
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To: jabbermog

You mean the Army, the Air force didn’t exist until after WWII.

Aviation was a part of the Army, just like Armor, or it’s naval elements.


35 posted on 01/04/2015 9:34:51 AM PST by ansel12 (They hate us, because they ain't us.)
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To: Morpheus2009

Whatever they did, there was massive and deadly rioting in the United States during the war, worse than we have seen recently.


36 posted on 01/04/2015 9:36:33 AM PST by ansel12 (They hate us, because they ain't us.)
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To: shoedog

1. Libs would urge “restraint” and “negotiation” as a reaction to the attacks on Pearl Harbor. They would resist any calls to declare war on Japan, instead urging blue-ribbon commissions to study “why they hate us so much.”
2. Libs would squeal to the LoN about the “unfair and disproportionate level of attack” on the Normandy Coast on D-Day.
3. Libs would oppose outright defeat of the Axis powers, instead calling for “a responsible end to the war.”


37 posted on 01/04/2015 9:36:49 AM PST by ScottinVA (Communism, liberalism and Islam: Kindred ideologies dedicated to America's destruction.)
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To: PGR88

You are correct the media is only a symptom. I was alive in WWII and the public would not have tolerated today’s media. In school our teachers NEVER cast any doubt upon our ultimate victory. The dominant philosophy today consists of treason, sedition and favoring the criminal element of our society. This treacherous philosophy is led by a chattering class that firmly believes they are correct and that our once great way of life was a sham. Treasonous and seditious pronouncements are eagerly absorbed by a trivial, sensation seeking, and ignorant populace.The popular culture is intensely devoted to a bestial belief in eating, drinking, drugging, copulating, evacuating the bowels, snoring and free tickets to “The Games.” We are clearly dying as a nation and indeed as a Civilization. Look what was elected President of our once great nation.


38 posted on 01/04/2015 9:39:47 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: shoedog

Actually, the media was often the enemy during WW2 as well. Think of the Patton slapping incident. We nearly lost the use of a fine commander for something completely reasonable.

The media didn’t back WW2 until “Uncle Joe” got involved. Even then, they looked for ways to downplay the US. In Korea, media coverage was obscene.


39 posted on 01/04/2015 9:44:12 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Charles Martel
Don't sell the media short. It played a big part in shaping today's culture and society, far more than a mere symptom.

I don't sell them short. They are very powerful. But they are not a power unto themselves. The MSM represent a common way of thinking, and their style, narrative are accepted by many. But above all, the media represent the views of those who run this country.

40 posted on 01/04/2015 9:44:23 AM PST by PGR88
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