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To: Pelham; Viennacon
28 I’m not sure just how accurate the Lively/Abrams book is (I’ve read it and found it persuasive) but there is certainly no denying the homosexuality among the Brownshirts. You can find that alluded to in William Shirer.

29 ... They were never actively targeted by the Nazis, which is what Beck asserts, they simply happened to be common criminals in Germany along with thieves, rapists, murderers, and drug addicts (which you might note was the same all over Europe and right here in the United States!). ...

The Pink Swastika is a fascinating read. I believe most of it is factual. One of the strangest claims made by Lively/Abrams was that the Brownshirts had a large membership of "butch" homosexuals who hated the "fem" homosexuals who gravitated to the Communist demonstrators. Their streetfights, national socialism vs. communism, were epic. Lively/Abrams claimed that the "fem" communists ended up in the labor/death camps more because of their identification with communism.

59 posted on 01/12/2015 9:50:01 PM PST by MacNaughton (" ...it is better to die on the losing side than to live under Communism." Whitaker Chambers)
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To: MacNaughton

I don’t recall the Pink Swastika saying that the ‘fems’ were Communist. My memory is more that the book said that butch homosexuality was common among the SA Brownshirts. And that Hitler had them killed off during the night of the long knives to keep the homosexual influence in the Nazi party hidden from the public eye as he rose in power.

Lively and Abrams further said that a good portion of the famous Nazi book burning consisted of records from German clinics that treated criminal sexual deviates- records that included a sizable number of prominent Nazi party members.

I find their argument persuasive because it parallels uncontested facts regarding the Nazis, but I wouldn’t claim that it’s absolutely true at this point.


66 posted on 01/13/2015 4:19:04 PM PST by Pelham (WWIII. Islam vs the West)
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