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To: EternalVigilance; Homer_J_Simpson

How long before he commits suicide and how long after that do we find out he’s committed suicide?


14 posted on 01/16/2015 9:21:38 AM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew

April 30th he did the deed.

Going totally from memory, it seems to me that the initial German reports were that he died heroically defending Berlin.

I’ll have to go look to see how long before the world learned that he took the coward’s way out.


16 posted on 01/16/2015 10:27:27 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: PapaNew

From wikipedia:

*excerpt*

The first inkling to the outside world that Hitler was dead came from the Germans themselves. On 1 May the radio station Reichssender Hamburg interrupted their normal program to announce that an important broadcast would soon be made. After dramatic funereal music by Wagner and Bruckner, Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz (appointed as Hitler’s successor in his will) announced that Hitler was dead.[39] Dönitz called upon the German people to mourn their Führer, who died a hero defending the capital of the Reich.[40] Hoping to save the army and the nation by negotiating a partial surrender to the British and Americans, Dönitz authorized a fighting withdrawal to the west. His tactic was somewhat successful: it enabled about 1.8 million German soldiers to avoid capture by the Soviets, but it came at a high cost in bloodshed, as troops continued to fight until 8 May.[41]

On the morning of 1 May, thirteen hours after the event, Stalin was informed of Hitler’s suicide.[42] General Hans Krebs had given this information to Soviet General Vasily Chuikov when they met at 04:00 on 1 May, when the Germans attempted to negotiate acceptable surrender terms.[43][44] Stalin demanded unconditional surrender and asked for confirmation that Hitler was dead. He wanted Hitler’s corpse found.[45] In the early morning hours of 2 May, the Soviets captured the Reich Chancellery.[46] Down in the Führerbunker, General Krebs and General Burgdorf committed suicide by gunshot to the head.[47]

Later on 2 May, the remains of Hitler, Braun, and two dogs (thought to be Blondi and her offspring, Wulf) were discovered in a shell crater by a unit of the Red Army intelligence agency SMERSH tasked with finding Hitler’s body. Stalin was still wary about believing his old nemesis was dead, and restricted what information could be publicly released.[48][49] The remains of Hitler and Braun were repeatedly buried and exhumed by SMERSH during the unit’s relocation from Berlin to a new facility in Magdeburg. The bodies, along with the charred remains of propaganda minister Goebbels, his wife Magda, and their six children, were buried in an unmarked grave beneath a paved section of the front courtyard. The location was kept secret.[50]
Hitler depicted by the United States Secret Service in 1944 to show how he might disguise himself to escape capture

Different versions of Hitler’s fate were presented by the Soviet Union according to its political desires. In the years immediately following 1945, the Soviets maintained Hitler was not dead, but had fled and was being shielded by the former western allies.[51] This worked for a time to create doubt among western authorities. The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd, said: “No one can say he is dead.” When President Harry S. Truman asked Stalin at the Potsdam Conference in August 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, “No”. But by 11 May 1945, the Soviets had already confirmed through Hitler’s dentist, Hugo Blaschke, and his dental technician that the dental remains found were Hitler’s and Braun’s.[52] In November 1945, Dick White, then head of counter-intelligence in the British sector of Berlin (and later head of MI5 and MI6 in succession), had their agent Hugh Trevor-Roper investigate the matter to counter the Soviet claims. His findings were written in a report and published in book form in 1947.[53]

In May 1946, SMERSH agents recovered from the crater where Hitler was buried two burned skull fragments with gunshot damage. These remains were apparently forgotten in the Russian State Archives until 1993, when they were re-found.[54] In 2009 DNA and forensic tests were performed on the skull fragment, which Soviet officials had long believed to be Hitler’s. According to the American researchers, the tests revealed that the skull was actually that of a woman less than 40 years old. The jaw fragments which had been recovered in May 1945 were not tested.[2][3]

In 1969, Soviet journalist Lev Bezymensky’s book on the death of Hitler was published in the West. It included the SMERSH autopsy report, but because of the earlier disinformation attempts, western historians thought it untrustworthy.[55]

In 1970, the SMERSH facility, by then controlled by the KGB, was scheduled to be handed over to the East German government. Fearing that a known Hitler burial site might become a Neo-Nazi shrine, KGB director Yuri Andropov authorised an operation to destroy the remains that had been buried in Magdeburg on 21 February 1946.[56] A Soviet KGB team was given detailed burial charts. On 4 April 1970 they secretly exhumed five wooden boxes containing the remains of “10 or 11 bodies ... in an advanced state of decay”. The remains were thoroughly burned and crushed, after which the ashes were thrown into the Biederitz river, a tributary of the nearby Elbe.[57][u]

According to Ian Kershaw the corpses of Braun and Hitler were thoroughly burned when the Red Army found them, and only a lower jaw with dental work could be identified as Hitler’s remains.[58]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler


17 posted on 01/16/2015 10:47:03 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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