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To counter terror, Europe’s police reconsider their arms
Associated Press ^ | Jan 19, 2015 2:56 PM EST | Lori Hinnant

Posted on 01/19/2015 9:22:24 PM PST by Olog-hai

One was a young policewoman, unarmed on the outskirts of Paris and felled by an assault rifle. Her partner, also without weapons, could do nothing to stop the gunman. Another was a first responder with a side arm, rushing to the Charlie Hebdo offices where a pair of masked men with high-powered weapons had opened fire on an editorial meeting. Among their primary targets: the armed police bodyguard inside the room.

With the deaths of the three French officers during three days of terror in the Paris region and the suggestion of a plot in Belgium to kill police, European law enforcement agencies are rethinking how—and how many—police should be armed.

Scotland Yard said Sunday it was increasing the deployment of officers allowed to carry firearms in Britain, where many cling to the image of the unarmed “bobby.” In Belgium, where officials say a terror network was plotting to attack police, officers are again permitted to take their service weapons home. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; belgium; charliehebdo; europeanunion; eussr; france; police; rkba; rop; sidearms
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To: The KG9 Kid

The Russians have OMON and they have the Internal Troops that are trained to deal with terrorism and hostage situations.

European police are woefully ill-equipped and trained to deal with jihadi terrorism.

Russians have a lot experience with it in Chechenya.


21 posted on 01/20/2015 2:58:05 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Redcitizen

“bitter clinger”?
Actually I’m rather cheerful when carrying my stuff and wouldn’t dream of clinging to it.


22 posted on 01/20/2015 3:42:12 AM PST by Huaynero
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To: goldstategop
European police are woefully ill-equipped and trained to deal with jihadi terrorism.

As a generalisaton that needs a bit of unpicking. In the case of the UK, the police and security services have more experience of terrorism, from the IRA years, than probably any other Western European force. However, that form of terrorism was predominantly bombing-related, and required an intelligence-centred approach: and since 9/11 and 7/7 the British have been pretty good at anticipating and preventing further bombings, with a lot of arrests and convictions for conspiracy. Bombay/Paris-type assaults are a different matter: but there's no doubt that ever since Bombay the British police have been training and equipping for something similar - yet to be tested, fortunately.

23 posted on 01/20/2015 3:52:04 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: The KG9 Kid
The KG9 Kid...your observations are precisely the same as my recollection from visiting London years ago.
I noted the very same thing when viewing their Heckler & Koch MP5s while touring about. Great post.
24 posted on 01/20/2015 4:23:38 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Olog-hai

25 posted on 01/20/2015 4:27:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: barmag25

“Try adding this one to the arsenal, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Just a thought”......

To their demise they are unable to decipher the message,
too many words.


26 posted on 01/20/2015 4:27:35 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Begin

No, they don’t. Traditional stylish hats which reflect the UK police history.


27 posted on 01/20/2015 4:27:45 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: Redcitizen

Its a myth Europeans don’t own guns. Tens of millions do across the continent and in the UK and Ireland.


28 posted on 01/20/2015 4:28:21 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: Olog-hai

European police = inadequately armed
American police = over armed and very dangerous


29 posted on 01/20/2015 4:45:39 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Muslim Creeping Conquest of America and Canada)
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To: Olog-hai

Buncha rocket surgeons there.


30 posted on 01/20/2015 5:21:09 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Travis McGee

Been through this!. 95% of French police are armed.


31 posted on 01/20/2015 5:26:22 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: The KG9 Kid

Full auto is of dubious value for LE, but, yeah, 9mm? Welcome to the 1980’s!


32 posted on 01/20/2015 5:42:18 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: MasterGunner01

“Father’s Day in Harlem”

While I realize that Jeff Cooper was referring to the joke, that phrase brings back memories.

In 1972 I had a summer job working in a warehouse on Long Island at the same company where my father worked. I was riding to work with him on Monday, June 12, 1972, when the radio newscaster began reading about the Father’s Day shooting in Harlem the day before.

It seems the family gathering got a little testy. Shots were fired (more that 100 rounds IIRC). The family dog died. A vehicle burst into flames and was destroyed. A multi-story wooden porch collapsed. Numerous windows were shot out.

No human beings were hurt in this production. Not even a scratch.

There were no witnesses. Nobody saw anything.

As of that Monday morning, there were no arrests. “Police were investigating.”

They had an audio clip of the family matriarch in her rocking chair on what was left of the porch that essentially said: “I kept telling them to play nice.”

As we crawled are way along the Long Island Expressway in heavy traffic, my Dad and I were laughing so hard, we had tears in our eyes.


33 posted on 01/20/2015 5:48:59 AM PST by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (We are the dangerous ones, who stand between all we love and a more dangerous world.)
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To: Winniesboy

As the Boston bombers revealed, we aren’t any more effective, despite the billions spent and civil liberties lost.


34 posted on 01/20/2015 5:56:08 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: rktman
watching arms photo: anatomy anatomicalstudiesrc.jpg
35 posted on 01/20/2015 7:26:27 AM PST by golux
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To: Trailerpark Badass

The recent trend in American law enforcement is going back to the 9mm from the .40 S&W if you weren’t aware.

You can pick up .40 Glock 23 police trade-ins for a song these days, and still nobody’s interested.

What’s old is new again, I guess. The bastard caliber .40 S&W round is finally going kerplop.


36 posted on 01/20/2015 9:43:47 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Hey, Mossad and others use .22’s for their ‘work’.


37 posted on 01/20/2015 1:23:43 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: Begin

Agreed! I thought I should Call a Taxi Cab.


38 posted on 01/20/2015 3:20:41 PM PST by ABN 505 (-)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Yeah, but if I am going to carry a long gun, it’s not a pistol cal. But yes, handgun, 9mm.


39 posted on 01/20/2015 6:06:20 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: the scotsman

not for gunfighting.


40 posted on 01/20/2015 6:06:51 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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