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Bill Bennett's Confused And Confusing Defense Of Pot Prohibition
Forbes ^ | 2/05/2015 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 02/06/2015 9:48:52 AM PST by ConservingFreedom

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To: DiogenesLamp
In a nation that has no moral conception of stealing, murder and lying

Libertarians hold that stealing and murder are violations of rights against which it is government's proper role to act - ditto for at least the kind of lying that constitutes fraud.

141 posted on 02/06/2015 12:17:41 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: cuban leaf
Truth is funnier than fiction. :-D
142 posted on 02/06/2015 12:19:08 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
"You people are pushing a world in which civilization cannot exist".

Seems pretty reasonable. Does this look like civilization to you?


143 posted on 02/06/2015 12:20:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: ConservingFreedom

You really can’t get any true liberty without basing it on a faith in God. A philosophy, however noble sounding, will not do, because it is just words without a speaker.


144 posted on 02/06/2015 12:20:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
They are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.

Nope. They are not even fiscally conservative. Every single dope-peddling liberal supporting legalization will brag and boast about the added tax revenue that legal pot brings.

When reminded that more taxes leads to more spending which leads to bigger government - they say nothing. What can they say?

Except that we conservatives should be shot in a duel and have our asses kicked.

 

145 posted on 02/06/2015 12:20:41 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

It’s ugly... the devil is making sport of these people.

And the devil still would make sport of them if they had no drugs to consume. At least this way it is obvious.


146 posted on 02/06/2015 12:21:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Who the hell are you to question why I’m here. Just like CF is a retread troll that’s been zotted before, I might remind you that YOU YOURSELF - due to your pro-pedophilia posts once got the zot yourself. But you re-registered and came back.

I will not back down. Even though this place is now a libertarian hot mess supporting drugs, euthanasia, sodomy, I will not be silent.


I see we’re getting personal. And in a very abusive way. From where do you get this hubris?

I was asking an honest question based on the comments you made.

And your constant use of the word “libertarian” to describe people here is perplexing to me. I understand your frustration with the world not going your way since Obama was elected. I feel the same way, but for me (and mabye for you) it’s been going on for decades. Heck, in the early 90’s I used to say that I feel like a jew in early 1930’s Germany.

But the Lord will prevail. In the meantime I want the FedGov the heck out of our lives. This issue is one of those areas they need to quit wasting resources on.


147 posted on 02/06/2015 12:21:46 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf
You may be basing your opinion more on the type of people you hang around rather than the type of people that smoke dope.

According to some people, suggesting there are limits to their personal experience is illegitimate "abstaction."

148 posted on 02/06/2015 12:21:57 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Needle Park proves nothing - legalize almost any particular activity, good, evil, or neutral, only in a single small area and you'll have a mess on your hands.
149 posted on 02/06/2015 12:24:12 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: gdani
The nanny state crowd doesn't think so. They will continue to cry, whine & lie about how marijuana will cause one to lose their job, burn their children alive & drive their car off a cliff.

And this is what a "straw man" looks like.

From my experience, people smoking weed don't have to worry about losing their job. They don't have one... well, except that one drug dealer I know, but he works on commission so he doesn't have to worry about getting fired.

What he has to worry about is paying for all those fines he has accumulated for driving without a license and driving without insurance, etc. He owes about $4,000.00 (including what he owes his lawyer) and I just don't think he's moving enough product to keep up with his bills.

He's one of the reasons I can truthfully say that "Weed makes you stupid."

150 posted on 02/06/2015 12:24:54 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

There was no war on drugs before Prohibition. The country prospered.


151 posted on 02/06/2015 12:25:15 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Every single dope-peddling liberal supporting legalization will brag and boast about the added tax revenue that legal pot brings.

I believe you include me in "dope-peddling liberals supporting legalization" - but I've never bragged nor boasted about the added tax revenue that legal pot brings.

152 posted on 02/06/2015 12:26:02 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

And I invite you as well to put forth an example of a nation that was better off without a war on drugs.


What countries have a “war on drugs”.

And what makes you think I’m talking about ALL drugs?

Meth is a serious problem where I live. I think they should bring the hammer down on that. It really DOES destroy lives.

Marijuana doesn’t, any more than alcohol. And we all know what prohibition brought us, right? BTW, I live in Cornbread Mafia territory. The book is very interesting.


153 posted on 02/06/2015 12:29:03 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf
This is a personal freedom issue for me. I’ve always had a problem with the government telling people that they can’t smoke a plant that grows wild on their land. It’s so Orwellian to me that it’s unconscionable, even though I’ve lived under it my entire life.

Poppies and Coca can grow on people's land too. Do you have any problem with people smoking any of that?


154 posted on 02/06/2015 12:29:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

Not means but priorities as to what we think is “good”. I put a VERY high value on the rights and freedom of the individual, as did our founding fathers. This includes one’s right to be the town drunk.


155 posted on 02/06/2015 12:30:37 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
I watched the interview and thought...man oh man, if anyone needs to partake in a doobie...it's this guy. Uptight feller.

Then at the close of the interview, he acknowledged his support for common core and Jeb Bush.

At that point, I disregarded any point the man had previously made during the interview.

156 posted on 02/06/2015 12:30:54 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: KoRn
EBT also pays for soft drinks, candy, cakes, chips, and lots of other CRAP that WE shouldn’t be paying for!

One Evil does not justify another Evil.

I personally find the idea of paying for drug addicts far more objectionable than the idea of paying for junk food junkies.

Drug addicts constitute a far greater threat to my family.

157 posted on 02/06/2015 12:31:32 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: ConservingFreedom
Whack that straw man.

Nah...light it on fire.

158 posted on 02/06/2015 12:32:52 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; KoRn
EBT also pays for soft drinks, candy, cakes, chips, and lots of other CRAP that WE shouldn’t be paying for!

One Evil does not justify another Evil.

Nobody's "justifying" anything - just pointing out that using EBT for anything else not needed for survival is as much a harm to the taxpayer as using EBT to buy pot, so your harm-of-pot argument proves too much.

159 posted on 02/06/2015 12:35:07 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: cuban leaf
And you are right. I’m no fan of marijuana, but I did use it for five years (72-77). I sometimes wonder if it permanently affected my memory, but then a lot of people that never touched it can have a hard time finding their keys.

If you were a teen during that period, there is a study that says it causes permanent brain damage in teens.

I had a friend that smoked the stuff in high school. I met him in Electronics class, and am still good friends with his brother. He told me he was going to give up that stuff forever after he turned 18, but he didn't. He never quit. He lives in Denver working as a janitor, and I do electronic engineering.

He's not the only "Failure to launch" i've seen from all the people i've known who smoked weed. His nephew is also a worthless bum, still currently living with mommy.

What a waste.

160 posted on 02/06/2015 12:36:48 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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