Posted on 02/09/2015 11:01:01 AM PST by jazusamo
Global is not US
you play the semantics game as much as you accuse me.
15 or so in 20+ years is not an epidemic of death.
Just admit your "not deadly" comment was erroneous. The measles is not the chicken pox.
I don’t believe that in the US the measles are a deadly disease - I stand by that -
One could say the same thing about smallpox. But that's because of vaccination.
Even if I were to grant you that point, the reason would still be because of vaccination.
Vaccinations are good and people should get them. The evidence is clear.
What evidence, that an epidemic that was already in decline, has declined further?
Or the ill health effects of a whole generation?
I see no evidence of this decline you're referencing. The trend actually looks like a slight increase before the vaccine, or at best a leveling off:
I really don't see anything arguable here. The evidence for the vaccine causing the dramatic decrease is proven, twice if you take into account the early 90s outbreak.
You are amazingly full of misinformation. No doubt, you memorized everything from those anti-vax sites, and you have no clue how to even interpret scientific data, or how to sort deliberate misrepresentation and falsification of data from genuine science.
The people with measles who die of pneumonia only caught pneumonia because their immune systems were weakened by measles. If they had been vaccinated against measles, they would not have caught pneumonia.
Your claim that somehow measles was going away all by itself holds absolutely no water. Improved healthcare, a better ability to keep patients alive is what led to a decrease in deaths. The disease was not, as the anti-vax sites claim, disappearing--just as many people were catching measles. The only reason that we do not catch measles any more is because (most of us) are vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, you have a 1-3 chance per thousand of dying if you are exposed to measles. To put that into context, the risk of a serious allergic reaction from the vaccine is about 1 per million--thus, your chance of dying from measles is 1 to 3 thousand times greater than your chance of having an allergic reaction. That is a HUGE risk to take to avoid an allergic reaction. Not that that has any impression on you--I've yet to see someone who swallows anti-vax lies who is mathematically literate.
You mentioned a lot of fallacies that GunRunner handily debunked, so I will not waste time repeating what GunRunner already said.
I will leave you with this thought: those leftists who post the anti-vax propaganda are perfectly aware that those diseases kill. Yet they choose to try to convince people to leave their children vulnerable. They share the same philosophy of all leftists: pro-abortion, anti-humanity, advocating for a drastic reduction (if not complete extinction) of the human race. Given these facts, what do you suppose their motivation is in trying to get people to not vaccinate their children against deadly disease?
Although, given your callous disregard for the lives of people who die of measles (and presumably other vaccine-preventable diseases), I'm fairly convinced that you're actually one of the anti-vax propagandists, and not just some deluded conspiracy theorist who follows them blindly.
Like you blindly follow Thorsen? Even though he’s a known fraud from your favorite “charity” the CDC?
Are you trying to say -
That the vaccination got rid of the measles, even though we consistently see measles outbreaks?
Or that the measles vaccination stopped death by measles?
Or that even though there have been outbreaks there have been no deaths due to measles
OR that there have been deaths due to the vaccination?
The technical term is "sustained interruption of endemic measles."
Or that the measles vaccination stopped death by measles?
Fewer cases through vaccine prevention means fewer deaths.
Or that even though there have been outbreaks there have been no deaths due to measles
There have been deaths in the US in 2009 and 2010.
OR that there have been deaths due to the vaccination?
Vaccine adverse reactions reported to have caused deaths (not necessarily demonstrated causation) are less than 1 in 1 million.
“There has been no measles deaths reported in the U.S. since 2003. “But the way we’re going, we feel it (another) is inevitable,” Schuchat said.”
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/measles-fast-start-cases-trend
Factually incorrect.
Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2009 - Page 17
Deaths: Final Data for 2010 - Page 37
kind of weird that after your sources had been published that a medical doctor who serves as the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has a different answer isn’t it?
I have no idea who that is. As a scientist who has actual experience in vaccine research and who spends a large part of the day reading original reports of vaccine research written by other researchers, I "follow" no one. On the contrary, I work to inform people on the latest advances in infectious disease control.
People make mistakes all the time.
Yes, trusting in vaccinations is one of the bigger ones.
But I tend to think she didn’t make a mistake- she’s so careful to control the information.
I believe you try to prove your point. I’m not sure if you’re paid to post but I don’t really care. We can snipe at each other all day every day for all I care.
The truth is you not interested in connecting the dots to the health risks involved in vaccines. The CDC’s incestuous relationship with vaccine makers should be shameful.
You've provided no evidence to back that up, while I've provided ample evidence of the benefits of vaccines. It's not a "mistake" to inoculate your children against infectious diseases, and the evidence is 100% clear even though you've chosen to ignore it and strap yourself to the anti-vax cargo cult.
But I tend to think she didn’t make a mistake- she’s so careful to control the information.
Well, it doesn't really matter what you "think". I've shown that measles did cause deaths in the past 10 years, end of story.
You have proven nothing - absolutely nothing. You regurgitate the Vaccine Party Line - completely ignoring that we as Americans don’t have to submit to Nazi style human experimentation. It should concern you that parental rights are being eroded. It should concern you that the government is never really there to help and even if you support having 59 vaccinations as mandatory, once you’ve given up your freedom to reject even one, the government can than decide on anything being mandatory and you’ve lost your voice.
You will not recognize that there are serious health issues involved with side effects of vaccinations.
Anne Schuchat has more than once indicated no deaths, so I’m comfortable with that.
Especially when that is annually, out of over 300 million people, such a puny number. Unlike the flu...
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