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To: kara37
Do we really need to keep beating this dead horse over a few hundred cases a year

To stamp out pseudoscience so that we no longer have a half million cases of measles a year (would likely be higher with twice the population in 2015 than pre-vax 1963)?

To debunk people who spread lies about vaccinations, harming the health of others in the process?

To make people provide evidence for their claims about public health issues?

Yes. I'll beat it as long as the anti-vax cult is around.

147 posted on 02/23/2015 2:08:40 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner; kara37
GunRunnerisAn AssHatWhat GunRunner hates to admit there were nearly 4 million cases annually and 3 in 100,000 would die. It really affects his hysteria, but he heard that if you were conservative you required everyone else to get vaccinated against there will.

He really is a big government liberal disguised as a Texan conservative. What he hates is a graph(or in GunRunner-ese a picture) that shows that the decline in the morality of measles far preceded the vaccine.

Also, that the introduction on MMR corresponded to a spike in mortality. That does not correspond to what he was told by his masters, so he is not able to google and echo those thoughts effectively.
153 posted on 02/26/2015 4:53:03 PM PST by IchBinEinBerliner
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To: GunRunner; kara37
Would you like to examine the obfuscation by the CDC over just last years measles infections?

Most of the 288 measles cases reported this year have been in persons who were unvaccinated (200 [69%]) or who had an unknown vaccination status (58 [20%]); 30 (10%) were in persons who were vaccinated. Among the 195 U.S. residents who had measles and were unvaccinated, 165 (85%) declined vaccination because of religious, philosophical, or personal objections, 11 (6%) were missed opportunities for vaccination, and10 (5%) were too young to receive vaccination (Figure).

Funny thing is they distinguish between U.S citizens and those at large. 18 were too young for vaccination, so 69%(200 were not vaccinated. Of those 18 were less than 12 months of age(not old enough for MMR) therefore 200-18/288(or 63% were not vaccinate by choice. This leaves 37% that were vaccinated or did not know whether they were vaccinated or not. Given the vaccine rate in the western hemisphere, it is probable that the 20% unknown were in fact vaccinated to at least 90%. So, what we see is the measles vaccine failing more than 28% of those effected by the measles virus. Wow, that is truly telling...your vaccine against a common child malady with a mortality rate nearly identical to chickenpox is at least 28% ineffective. But according to some Texans, should be imposed upon all citizens.

But earlier your Journal of Pediatrics peer reviewed journal was shown to be bunk. So, really, there is no real evidence that your vaccines are safe. But, I think you(GunRunner) have seen graphs that indicate, without the vaccine BS of the late 60's and ealry 70's, measles would be nearly a non-existent threat to humanity(at least the U.S. population).

Incidentally..."No cases of encephalitis and no deaths have been reported." Thank you GinRunner or whatever God is named for sparing us from fatalities of this disease. 2013 "No deaths were reported." Thank GunRunner from sparing us from any fatalities! 2012 "Among the 70 (32%) measles patients who were hospitalized, 17 (24%) had diarrhea, 15 (21%) were dehydrated, and 12 (17%) had pneumonia. No cases of encephalitis and no deaths were reported." Thank GunRunner again for no fatalities!..Well heck no deaths in over 5 years

Few people died of measles in the U.S. between 2004 and 2015 because measles was classified as eliminated in 2000. Relatively few people in the U.S. contracted the viral infection after that, so it stands to reason far fewer would go on to die of it. More than 100 reports of suspected adverse reaction and death may have been reported to VAERS in the years cited, that refers to unconfirmed public reports, not verified vaccine-related fatalities, because GunRunner denies these claims, damn the regulatory reports to the contrary(they are not as important nor as accurate as press release per GunRunner) therefore those dead walk again under the authority of GunRunner damn the science and facts to the contrary.
155 posted on 02/26/2015 6:40:59 PM PST by IchBinEinBerliner
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