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What ISIS really wants
The Atlantic ^ | March 2015 | Graeme Wood

Posted on 02/16/2015 2:38:01 PM PST by iowamark

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To: Steamburg

Actually, it’s one of the most cogent articles on Islam and ISIS that I have read. Why don’t you try reading it.

If you are averse to fluff, keep your fingers in your ears—otherwise it may leak out.


21 posted on 02/16/2015 3:11:39 PM PST by antidisestablishment (When the passion of your convictions surpass those of your leader, it's past time for a change.)
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To: RginTN

Convert, Submit or Die.


22 posted on 02/16/2015 3:13:27 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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To: antidisestablishment

Yes, but when will any editorialist adhere to both my High School and College training and state their hypothesis in the first paragraph, so we know what argument we will be getting?

Sheesh. Lexicographical diarrhea is off-putting.


23 posted on 02/16/2015 3:16:21 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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To: iowamark

ISIS wants what every follower of Islam is compelled to want, according to the Koran, complete submission of the world to Islam.


24 posted on 02/16/2015 3:19:20 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace- No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: RginTN

I should have read the comments first. More succinct as well.


25 posted on 02/16/2015 3:27:39 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace- No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: iowamark

“What is the Islamic State?

Where did it come from, and what are its intentions?”

Sometimes I think they just want to be put out of their own misery.


26 posted on 02/16/2015 3:31:31 PM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: iowamark

“We do not even understand the idea.”

‘We’ who? It’s not like it’s complicated.


27 posted on 02/16/2015 3:37:41 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

This was actually a very good article, because while it’s true that complete submission is what every follower of Islam wants, the author points out that the way of obtaining it is different in the minds of ISIS and Al Qaeda.

AQ attacks existing societies, attempting to get them to accept Islam and replace their existing societies with an Islamic one, while ISIS is territorial and depends on the physical possession of land (the caliphate) in order to assert its claims. Then, of course, it can expand its territory - but if it has no land, it has no credibility and no legitimacy, since it all depends on the caliphate, of which Al Baghdadi has proclaimed himself the caliph.


28 posted on 02/16/2015 3:52:11 PM PST by livius
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To: iowamark

If you want to know the heart of the ISIS scourge, read this:

http://www.ict.org.il/Article/132/Salafist-Takfiri%20Jihadism%20the%20Ideology%20of%20the%20Caucasus%20Emirate


29 posted on 02/16/2015 3:57:11 PM PST by gandalftb (Go Seahawks!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

It is the Atlantic. Sheesh!


30 posted on 02/16/2015 5:03:47 PM PST by antidisestablishment (When the passion of your convictions surpass those of your leader, it's past time for a change.)
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To: antidisestablishment

Read it. It’s still bumper sticker simple. Stuck in the 7th Century, again.
Kind of like a tribalist President I’ve heard too much about. The only positive outcome is his defeat.


31 posted on 02/16/2015 5:24:52 PM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: iowamark

Who woulda thunk the Atlantic would get anywhere near the truth? Will truth become trendy with the literary elite for any appreciable standard of time? That is the question. Calling E. Pyle.


32 posted on 02/16/2015 6:08:21 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: iowamark
inflow of jihadists

AKA "a target-rich environmnet."

33 posted on 02/16/2015 6:11:37 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It ain't how much firepower you've got, it's how much metal you can put on the target.)
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To: antidisestablishment; iowamark
Actually, it’s one of the most cogent articles on Islam and ISIS that I have read.

I read the article entirely and thought it was a good article.

I am an Infidel but have a Wahhabi take on Islam.
I also know what the Salafis believe, and I didn't see much difference between the two.

After reading this article I believe the difference is in strategy.
The Wahabbis want to kill us now, and the Salafis want to postpone that until they are better prepared. -Tom

34 posted on 02/16/2015 6:14:40 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: DJ Taylor

Bravo.


35 posted on 02/16/2015 6:30:12 PM PST by bootless ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."~RWR)
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To: iowamark

Worldwide caliphate of right-thinking muslims. They all do.

Next quetion.


36 posted on 02/16/2015 7:00:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: iowamark

That was a good article. Thanks for posting it.

Throughout the article the author kept coming back to the fact that ISIS is indeed based entirely on Islamic text. This is not some rogue group of guys perverting Islam as our President is fond of saying. These guys are taking the literal interpretations of Islamic text and trying to bring them to the modern world.


37 posted on 02/16/2015 7:15:32 PM PST by SteveAustin
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To: iowamark

Very interesting indeed. I wish more journalists could write so well.


38 posted on 02/17/2015 6:08:58 AM PST by jonatron (Land of the Free, Home of the Brave)
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To: iowamark

The ISIS appeal is very simple. If you want to burn decent people alive, rape teenage (and pre-teen) girls (and boys), and fire really loud, destructive weapons, ISIS is for you. Pretty much it’s populated by thugs and attracting more thugs. That’s all we need to know about them, except where to find them so we can kill them all.


39 posted on 02/17/2015 6:31:01 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: I want the USA back

Inbred subhuman savages.

There are seldom any closeups of ISIS thugs. They tend to have misshapen faces, the product of generations of inbreeding. Then Islamic indoctrination turns them completely into mind-numbed zombies.

Killing them is the only solution.


40 posted on 02/17/2015 6:55:01 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I: am a radicalized infidel.")
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