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To: zeugma
Actually not. I agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence. However, I call out Fedgov everywhere I see abuses, be it their snooping on us at every conceivable level, their abuse of environmental law, civil asset forfeiture, their constant attacks on the 2nd amendment, or any of the other endless overreaches of the Fedgov leviathan. The whole WOD thing comes up often because it is one of the most obvious and destructive of their efforts to subvert our Republic.

If you do indeed focus on other federal abuses and not just those involving the drug issue, then it is my turn to apologize to you. Most of the message traffic I deal with regarding federal abuses are from Libertarians upset that the feds enforce drug laws.

I am against abuses by government. I am against no knock raids and i'm against asset forfeiture without trial.

But I think it is absolutely necessary that no nation allow drug addiction to flourish in their society. We have the historical example of what legalized drugs did to China, and I regard allowing drugs as a grave and dire threat to the existence of our nation.

You might want to rethink your notion that only druggies oppose the WOD. Some of us simply believe the "cure" is worse than the "disease".

Given that the "disease" would be following the path of China, I would have to ask how much worse could the "cure" be? Complete totalitarian government and the enslavement of the populace. Yeah, that's where the disease led. Will the "cure" get us there faster? Maybe, but it looks pretty obvious to me that the "disease" will get us there for sure.

18 posted on 02/19/2015 9:19:26 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
Given that the "disease" would be following the path of China, I would have to ask how much worse could the "cure" be? Complete totalitarian government and the enslavement of the populace. Yeah, that's where the disease led. Will the "cure" get us there faster? Maybe, but it looks pretty obvious to me that the "disease" will get us there for sure.

I'm sorry, but if they can't even keep drugs out of a socialist paradise like our prison system, where they have what one can only describe as a fairly depotic level of control, how do you expect them to keep them out of an allegedly free country? I just don't see how they can possibly come anywhere near close to attaining their "goals" and still maintain a free Republic. These laws and everything that derives from them are an anathema to a free people.

I am against abuses by government. I am against no knock raids and i'm against asset forfeiture without trial.

Both of those rather egregious abuses were only made possible by the war on drugs.

Personally, I'm doubtful that even full legalization would usher in an era like the Chinese example you mentioned. China had other rather systemic issues that exacerbated their resultant problems. I personally think a stronger example of the evils of the drug laws would be the immediate aftermath of prohibition.  You don't see the local Budweiser and Shiner distributors getting into shootouts over their distribution channels. It is when you drive conflict resolution underground as a matter of state policy that you end up with the rampant crime and corruption associated with the vices.

 

19 posted on 02/19/2015 12:00:58 PM PST by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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