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Obama to Middle Class Retirees: If You Like Your Retirement, You Can Keep It
Townhall.com ^ | February 24, 2015 | Michael Schaus

Posted on 02/24/2015 11:49:45 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: lee martell

The picture says it all: I’m lying. I’m pretending to help you while I pick your pocket. Aw shucks, aren’t I clever?


21 posted on 02/24/2015 5:07:07 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: grania

My experience says not many. Additionally, I read recently the “new” safe withdrawal rate is 2.8%. Kind of scary if you really think about it. Very pessimistic.

The other gottcha in all of this are the economic radio entertainers. While much of their general advice is just fine, if you earn above national average, their advice becomes insufficient, if not bad. What might be right for a median income household, by definition, isn’t right for half the country. This is where CPAs and licensed financial professionals really help.


22 posted on 02/24/2015 5:19:37 PM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: Kaslin

If he says so, you can be sure it’s the beginning of the end.


23 posted on 02/24/2015 6:15:39 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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24 posted on 02/24/2015 6:18:29 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Kaslin
would impose a requirement on some financial advisers to act as what the law calls “fiduciaries” for their clients, meaning that when they recommend or sell investments, they would be required to put the clients’ interests ahead of other factors,

Here you go.....one of Holders people recently promoted from Obamacare Navigator to "fiduciaries":


25 posted on 02/24/2015 6:29:40 PM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: spokeshave
fiduciaries to clients....

I checked your voting record here....and here.....

so I have a special line of special mortgage backed government bonds for you....

26 posted on 02/24/2015 6:33:23 PM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: SpirituTuo
I read something in Forbes where there are situations that money coming out of 401K (I think it's from appreciated stock) might be a good candidate for an annuity that would avoid massive taxes and other expenses. (it takes me awhile to fully integrate this stuff when I read it, especially when like this it doesn't apply to me).

Other uses for annuities: if one is going to leave money to a charity or college etc a later-in-life annuity can be a good way to be sure it gets there. Another situation is if someone really doesn't want relatives to get assets and doesn't want them trying for it in courts.

The problem with anything financial is that the hype never ends. I love intellectual play, and listening to these spiels is fun. When I take notes, telling them ahead of time I always check my facts before committing to anything, most of them get either insulting or arrogant about THEIR knowledge.

One thing that would help is an informative booklet impartially spelling everything out about the various choices.

Another thing....those reverse mortgages. As I understand it, they're a line of credit that doesn't have to be paid back until a senior moves from that house. But it's an attachment on the deed, even if it's only the minimum taken out to keep the line of credit open. It's pretty expensive to open, and it's made painless by using the line of credit to pay the fees. The lady who spoke to me (after I gave a cold call rep a earful about targeting seniors) said the line of credit increases by a few percentage points each year, until it reaches the assessed value of the house. For me, it wouldn't make any sense. For senior fraudsters, more rules are being written on them to stop people from maxing out that line of credit and not maintaining the property.

I think I'll call my state rep today with a suggestion (she's actually a listener). There should be courses offered in senior centers for free, from impartial instructors, about senior finance.

There are a lot of people quite senior to me around here who've worked their whole lives, saved, and are getting pressured from all sides. I wonder how many people realize they represent something. That would be the decimation of financial security to be passed on to another generation. I can't imagine how the US EVER fully recovers what's happened to individual wealth for the middle class.

27 posted on 02/25/2015 5:22:14 AM PST by grania
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To: grania

Depending upon age, and a number of factors, “taking the growth” out of a 401(k) and putting it into an annuity, may be a good idea. There are a number of variables, so each case is different.

In general, the one tool to give a charity the most money is a cash value life insurance policy. Many colleges and some charities already have plans in place with guidlines, etc.

Annuities are good because they bypass probate and go to a named beneficiary.

While I like the idea of a booklet, because the choice of financial products is based on any number of variables, it is best to work with a professional. They don’t necessarily need to be fee-for-service, so it doesn’t have to be an out of pocket cost.

I am personally against reverse mortgages.


28 posted on 02/25/2015 10:31:11 AM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo
Why is an annuity contract a bad thing? That is a very general statement that isn’t backed by either fact, or the market for the product.

It is a bad thing right now, given that Yellen and the Fed will soon be compelled to raise rates (or the bond market will do it for them) and drive the principal value of debt holdings down.

Of course, people thought that four years ago, but Bernanke nailed the accelerator to the floor and the Fed hasn't let up since. It made a monkey of the marketarians (and a semi-pauper of me) and turned technical analysis into a joke. When the only technical indicator is what Helicopter Ben had for breakfast this morning, all market advice is worthless except that which is based on inside information (such as Goldman and a few other "near-perfect information" supercomputing warehouses possess to our exclusion) about what the Fed is going to do this afternoon.

That's what I meant, in part. The rest of it is, this can't go on, and Treasury prices are dramatically overextended (in a sane world). Like CMO's, seven years ago.

Satisfied?

29 posted on 02/26/2015 7:42:40 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: grania
I wonder how many people are put in that position because they planned for retirement with savings paying at least 4% interest on savings. And I wonder how many are doing the amount of careful scrutiny necessary to get the best possible deal.

I wonder, since this is a place for wondering out loud, whether everything we've seen for the last 15 years, since the dot-com [Spellidiot wants to rewrite "dot-com" as "do-gooder" ... What on earth causes idiocy like that?] bubble burst, as a wilful, top-level, Bush-family-assisted, Fed-managed, NWO looting of the US middle class to keep themselves in Maybach Zeppelins and 80-meter yachts? To drive the market value of a human being to zero and starve out the "surplus" (defined so as not to include Maybach mechanics and chauffeurs) world population?

Now there's insecurity for you! :p But what if it's true?

30 posted on 02/26/2015 7:54:55 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: spokeshave

Ouch. Good post.


31 posted on 02/26/2015 7:55:53 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I suspect it’s true.


32 posted on 02/26/2015 8:05:21 AM PST by grania
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To: grania
I don't know whether I'm more pleased to be so quickly validated, or depressed that so many of us are going to die poor, who once had responsible middle-class jobs.
33 posted on 02/26/2015 8:09:51 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I generally agree with most of what you said.

Something is good or bad, when compared with something else. A fixed annuity is probably not the right choice for a 22-year old starting a retirement account. However, if a pre-retiree wishes to take the gains from the market and use them for guaranteed income without market risk, then a fixed annuity might be the ticket.

The same is true for CDs. Unfortunately, during periods of high interest rates, there is usually high inflation. People just don’t realize their purchasing power has been lessened by inflation.


34 posted on 02/26/2015 8:10:29 AM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo
However, if a pre-retiree wishes to take the gains from the market and use them for guaranteed income without market risk, then a fixed annuity might be the ticket. The same is true for CDs.

I would respectfully challenge you on the fixed annuity or the CV's, unless the latter were very short-term, like six months.

We are already experiencing inflation carefully masked by the Fed and its henchboys at Labor, Treasury, and Commerce. The only place you can see it is in the grocery store, when it's too late.

Persons still working need to keep working to index themselves, if they can, to the present inflation, or else they'll end up eating dog food, like that senior I saw in a grocery store in 1973 or 1974. Two in the morning, nobody in the checkout lines, and there he was with his four cans of (I think it was) Pard dog food.

Think I was horrified? I remember it vividly, 40 years later.

The point is, fixed cash inflows are systematically looted by the Fed, both to fund congressional rapacity and to drive seniors back to work* (for nothing) in what is euphemistically describable as the "secondary labor market" (scab or scut labor). They may be skilled workers, but they're no longer able to use their skills (I think it's a scam, but then I'm a designated scam-ee like everyone over age 50).

This is what pension reform in 1973 bought us. Stroke of the pen in a back room while the bright lights were all dedicated to burning Richard Nixon out of office, and hundreds of millions of people were screwed for good by an invisible hand of the Lobby.

Young people, and people still working, listen up. This is what is waiting for you. This is what you are really being made to work for, not the future you imagine.

* This driving people back into the labor market, to take pressure off social-insurance and pension schemes, and also to bandage up falling fertility rates in Europe (here, we have immigration schemes) was the cover issue of a number of The Economist in either 2013 or 2014.

35 posted on 02/26/2015 8:32:39 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I was not clear with about CDs. And yes, inflation is definitely a risk for fixed annuities. However, some contracts allow for an exchange into a higher producing annuity.

In general, I am not a fan of CDs, except in very specific cases.

Another huge issue is our national debt. While “entitlements” are eating up the budget, with fewer workers in the workplace, and fewer workers per benefit collector, very soon, our debt servicing will be the highest budget item. That is unsustainable.

Neither party seems to have any desire or real leadership to address this in a meaningful way. Not to mention the millions of benefit-driven voters.

Govt. spending is unsustainable.


36 posted on 02/26/2015 9:19:26 AM PST by SpirituTuo
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