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To: 43north

Most “anti-vaxxers” are not against vaccines as long as individuals can freely exercise informed consent.

If a vaccine is safe and effective, and the threat of disease is high, most people will accept vaccination. Those that refuse to accept vaccination would be at greater risk of contracting the disease than those taking the vaccine in that situation.

Let me give you an example of an effective vaccine campaign coming form an anti forced vaxxer. During the Franco-
Prussian War small pox was still a big threat. The Prussians vaccinated their troops against small pox, but the French did not. The soldiers had similar conditions and went through the countryside. They intermingled directly when the Germans took French prisoners. The French suffered over 23,000 deaths from small pox and the Prussians suffered only 261 death from small pox. You can also point to small pox death rates between Native American and European during the 17th and 18th century.

Small pox vaccination was imperative because it was a highly lethal disease that spread easily by contact. In situations where small pox was prevalent, I think most people would accept the vaccine as long as the risks of the vaccine were not as great as contracting small pox. As the above examples illustrate, the Prussians were vaccinated and protected even when they were exposed to the unvaccinated and infected French prisoners and peasants. The Europeans had natural immunity and were largely protected form NIs with small pox. So, I think that we can safely say that, with an effective vaccine, the vaccinated are protected from the unvaccinated.

So, this argument really comes down to ethics and individual choice because those receiving an effective vaccine are protected. If the vaccine is not effective, then an individual should think as to why they should use it in the first place. One must also consider other risks vaccine contaminants such as mercury, aluminum, extraneous viruses, and triggering an autoimmune response.

So with something like measles or influenza, you have a disease with a very low death rate, and a vaccine riddled with contaminants that may possess a threat to long term health. Naturally, many people will be reluctant to take such treatment. This is much like those that refuse statin drugs for elevated cholesterol because of risks of liver disease.

Informed consent is all the “anti-vaxxers” want. Is that too much to ask?

If you can’t support informed consent with freedom to choose treatment, you are in favor of medical tyranny.


9 posted on 03/09/2015 7:51:03 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats & GOPe delenda est. President zero gave us patient zero.)
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To: grumpygresh

Remember back in our own history we gave blankets from patients infected with small pox, measles, typhoid etc to Indians who had no immunity to these diseases. Wiped out nearly whole tribes.

“If a vaccine is safe and effective” that is the crux of the entire issue. IS THE VACCINE REALLY SAFE? Is the Medicines or vaccines being prescribed safe and effective?

At this point patients are ‘required’ to report the side effects. Many seniors are not computer literate. Small children don’t know what a bad side effect is. And uninformed parents are just that, DUMB. Doctors just give Patients a different medicine if they complain about horrible side effects of a med until they find one that shuts the patient up. No one ties deaths to the medicines, just age. Many meds have memory issues, is this a reason we are seeing a big uptick in Alzheimer’s? Most Patients report side effects to their doctors. WHO should be the ones reporting those side effects to the FDA, not the patient.

Bill Gates uses his Billions to push COMMIE CORE that comes right out of Mien Kemp. Those of us old enough know about how Hitler educated the German youth to be snitches on their parents and neighbors. That is what Commie Core does.

You check Bill Gates and Merck and the relationship goes very deep. With Whistle Blowers statements being suppressed by the MSM. http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/04/25/mercks-former-doctor-predicts-that-gardasil-will-become-the-greatest-medical-scandal-of-all-time/

Then ask how can we truly trust our medical profession? When they refuse to tell patients a drug they are prescribing carries a BIG FDA WARNING on the drug. Doctors like patients who wear blinders. Not well informed patients.

Those who are well informed say NO a lot. And rely on natural remedies more.

And with many of our meds now being made in foreign countries where we have no control in the processing it makes you worry a lot about the ingredients and if they actually contain enough of the ‘drug’ vs being more filler. And those fillers are not benign either, they cause side effects, right down to dyes used in the pills. Ditto goes for Generics. Some are ‘small window’ meds and can’t be off by the amount the government allows.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but a well informed consumer. HARD RIGHT CONSERVATIVE, and a hard head Celt. Prove to me it’s safe first. If it carries a FDA Warning tell me before you write the script.

The decision is ultimately mine to make. Just as it was my mom’s when she was diagnosed with late stage lung cancer. Despite going to the doctor more than enough, who missed the clear signs. Chemo and it’s horrors of side effects, would NOT save her, but would buy her another month. She opted for Hospice and surprised them and lived 4 months instead of the 3 months with Chemo she was told she get. She died peacefully surrounded by family.


16 posted on 03/11/2015 7:23:14 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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