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Notice to those Commenting on the Armor Piercing Ammunition Exemption Framework
ATF ^ | 3/16/2015 | ATF

Posted on 03/10/2015 11:58:35 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf

Thank you for your interest in ATF's proposed framework for determining whether certain projectiles are “primarily intended for sporting purposes” within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C). The informal comment period will close on Monday, March 16, 2015. ATF has already received more than 80,000 comments, which will be made publicly available as soon as practicable.

Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study. Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework. After the close of the comment period, ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 223; 556; ammoband; atf; banglist; g42
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Good, But this is not the end, they will try again until we flush this Big Government and those who want to control every aspect of our lives OUT!
1 posted on 03/10/2015 11:58:35 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf
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To: jafojeffsurf

I don’t believe it.

They have some alternative they will springs on us, that will be equally distasteful but, they will marginalize our opinion...


2 posted on 03/10/2015 12:01:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: jafojeffsurf

In 2016 we do a hard SaniFlush.


3 posted on 03/10/2015 12:03:44 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Oh really???? How do you think we are going to do that?

“Elect” more Republicans”?????????????????

We see how fruitless that exercise in practicing insanity was.


4 posted on 03/10/2015 12:06:33 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jafojeffsurf
CHOKE 2
5 posted on 03/10/2015 12:07:23 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: INVAR

Tea Party


6 posted on 03/10/2015 12:08:18 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

If that SaniFlush includes the GOP Rino’s I’m all in.


7 posted on 03/10/2015 12:08:57 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

Why is the purpose relevant?

If one uses the rifle for home protection and regularly trains to maintain proficiency, is that a “sporting purpose”?

If only “sporting purposes” are to be permitted, couldn’t the rifle be stores securely at the range, making things ever so much safer at home?


8 posted on 03/10/2015 12:10:15 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Every driver with a "Ready For Hillary" bumper sticker had to scrape off a "Obama 12" bumper sticker)
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To: jafojeffsurf

Apparently the BATFE got the message from the replies to dissolve the agency


9 posted on 03/10/2015 12:12:56 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Haiku Guy

Sounds like a great idea...you first.


10 posted on 03/10/2015 12:13:55 PM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: lostboy61

It does.


11 posted on 03/10/2015 12:17:33 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Haiku Guy
The first mistake is accepting their premise. The 2nd Amendment makes no reference to "sporting purposes". Introducing that concept is an infringement. The solution is to strike that non-sense from consideration.
12 posted on 03/10/2015 12:18:20 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: INVAR

““Elect” more Republicans”?????????????????”

NO! We Only Elect people of Principles, Then if or when they prove that they cannot stand to their spoken principles we then flush them also...

Too many make excuses for the criminals in government. Once there is proof that their fruits(Votes and Actions) are not what they said they would do they to must be flushed. So Party is not the lens one should use... I am so tired of these party first people (Oh yes the GOP is FULL of them) they should be looking for the Attributes/Principles like Duty and Responsibility with an ability to explain the meaning of the Constitution in all things they vote on or will vote on.

With all this said be aware there is NO election that will make a difference because the ROOT of the problem in in Us as a nation and until We recognize the error of our ways and humble ourselves before God, returning this to One Nation Under God, ALL else of mans actions will be for NOT!


13 posted on 03/10/2015 12:20:50 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: jafojeffsurf

Why play a million games of Whack a Mole..?

Defund the ATF, let them write parking tickets.

Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.


14 posted on 03/10/2015 12:24:00 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Haiku Guy

Are you being sarcastic or just trying to learn about Freedom, Conservatism, and Libertarianism???

Considering the Sight I will assume it was a sarcastic question in Jest...


15 posted on 03/10/2015 12:24:12 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: jafojeffsurf

“Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework,”

So since we are not ready to face CWII at this time we will not ban AR-15 green tips. :-)


16 posted on 03/10/2015 12:25:24 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Vendome

Every response but one could be against their plans, and that one would prevail.

Doing an end run on the second amendment is still a violation of the second amendment.

What right is there to defend yourself, if your rifle is no more than a club to be used against someone who broke the law and has a weapon?

The ATF continues to be completely out of control.

If there were ever and agency that needed to be done away with this one ranks right up there with the EPA, the Department of Education, and many others.


17 posted on 03/10/2015 12:25:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen

There is no "good faith" in any part of FedGov, nor is there a balance between the interests of law enforcement and the interests of a free republic. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, and banning ammo is an infringement on our right to keep and bear arms. Pretending that the infringement serves a good purpose is (1) a lie told purely to deceive and not as an honest mistake, and (2) irrelevant even if it had been true.

Note: I have both friends and relatives in law enforcement and in the military, and I do not want them unnecessarily endangered. However, this ban on specific types of ammo would not in any way have improved their safety and would not have been constitutional even if it had improved their safety.

18 posted on 03/10/2015 12:26:45 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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“Good, But this is not the end, they will try again....”

Like all good Communists, they are regrouping to make another assault when they think we aren’t watching. I have news for them, we are ALWAYS watching.


19 posted on 03/10/2015 12:34:34 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Pollster1

Amen, I also have relatives in law enforcement and they along with I agree this does not address the root problem and in no way make their jobs any safer.

Free Men Own Guns, Slaves Do NOT!

TRUTH= “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”


20 posted on 03/10/2015 12:37:37 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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