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The E.U. Experiment Has Failed
Hoover Institution ^ | March 5, 2015 | Bruce Thornton

Posted on 03/16/2015 8:23:01 PM PDT by annalex

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Bruce S. Thornton is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution
1 posted on 03/16/2015 8:23:01 PM PDT by annalex
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2 posted on 03/16/2015 8:23:57 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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Regarding a big social market economy experiment as in any way successful is denial of reality. The EU is an empire designed to govern and expand by crisis.


3 posted on 03/16/2015 8:28:57 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Europe has a muzzie problem. Their children will never know a Europe like they did. Their naïve multiculturalism and liberalism screwed it up for future generations. It was be a far less safe place for their children.


4 posted on 03/16/2015 8:34:49 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Olog-hai
The only true governance is one that recognizes that governance must callibrate with, not contradict human nature. The Founders of the United States understood this. . .that the authority to govern was distributed, by God, to each individual. . and thus, no power set upon the earth could usurp this entitled legal standing possessed by each person. If government is to be established, its only just powers are those extended to it by consent of the governed.

The EU, conversely, is based upon the Progressive fallicy. . .that our individual rights and the sphere of personal liberty is to be determined by what is in the interest of "society." . . and it is always the elites, the experts, that will inform us what those interests are. . .which, of course, is tyranny. That's why Progressives love to speak in terms of what is "sustainable" and what is "unsustainable" rather than to speak in terms of Constitutionally secured, individual, God-given, human rights.

5 posted on 03/16/2015 8:46:15 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: Olog-hai

IMHO the European Union was formed to counterbalance the growth of Americaism in Europe. NATO was a big affront to Europeans - how dare a country that was less than 200 years old tell Europe, with a history of a 1,000 plus years what to do. The fact that it was America, not NATO, that kept Europe free until the Soviet Union broke up really stuck in their collective craw.

If you want to see where Europe is headed just take a hard look at how the biggest forced nation in Europe came apart after 1990 and where it is now.


6 posted on 03/16/2015 8:50:46 PM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: boycott

Being only second generation American, having grandparents that immigrated here, I had wanted to see some of Europe. Had. A few years back that idea died. A combination of too many Muslims, incredibly stupid laws, hating to fly (now), and a realization that there are so many places in America I want to see I probably won’t live long enough to see them, so forget Europe.


7 posted on 03/16/2015 8:52:48 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Olog-hai
Regarding a big social market economy experiment as in any way successful

I don't understand how this premise related to the article.

The EU is an empire designed to govern and expand by crisis

That is a better description of the US than EU right now. However, given that EU project originally was about a customs union, even if the EU will transform itself into some kind of an "empire" would be a failure of the original purpose of the project.

8 posted on 03/16/2015 8:58:52 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: boycott
Europe has a muzzie problem

Among many others.

9 posted on 03/16/2015 9:00:20 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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The American experiment looks to have run it’s course as well.


10 posted on 03/16/2015 9:04:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Yup; see the next to last paragraph.


11 posted on 03/16/2015 9:17:44 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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Nothing short of a huge, “Operation Wetback”-style mass deportation of Muslims can save Europe now.


12 posted on 03/16/2015 9:18:13 PM PDT by montag813 (Pray for Israel)
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The EU project was not originally a customs union; that was a lie, borne out by the fact that the 1951 Treaty of Paris had the phrase “Resolved to substitute for age-old rivalries the merging of their essential interests; to create, by establishing an economic community, the basis for a broader and deeper community among peoples longs divided by bloody conflicts; and to lay the foundations for institutions which will give direction to a destiny henceforward shared” as its fifth line, and the preamble of the 1957 Treaty of Rome had the phrase “Determined to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe” as its very first line. The governmental pattern we see today was already in place even in the 1951 Treaty of Paris, albeit some institutions under different names (Commission = “High Authority”, Parliament = “General Assembly” et al).

The USA is contracting, not expanding. The EU to this point has been expanding, and even if in the future it may look as if it contracts, none of the nations that get relegated to the second tier (also by design) will escape its direct rule, and many more nations besides will be so subjugated. Not enough people noticed that Obama said in his first year as president that he greatly admired “European leadership” and has been following its pattern ever since.

By treaty, every member state that joined/joins the EU has to transform its economy into the “social market economy” (Soziale marktwirtschaft), which was conceived as a nominal “third way” between outright Marxism and “Anglo-Saxon capitalism” but leaning heavily in the Marxist direction, if not having fascist tendencies from its outset. The EU is no haphazard venture; and in fact it is a new permutation of an old empire, as Otto von Habsburg once pointed out, and also Bernard Connolly when he mentioned that the “big” member states were doing what they do under “the banner of Charlemagne”.


13 posted on 03/16/2015 9:31:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Yes, and the EU founders said so themselves.

The EU won’t fall apart that quickly. Everything has been carefully planned even though it looks haphazard at some levels. A strongman could easily turn things around just as Putin forged what he forged out of the seeming chaos of Russia, and the stage is being set for the arrival of such.


14 posted on 03/16/2015 9:34:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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PS. Another proof of the EU not being a mere “customs union” even back in the EEC days is written in the Republic of Ireland’s constitutional Third Amendment.
The State may become a member of the European Coal and Steel Community (established by Treaty signed at Paris on the 18th day of April, 1951), the European Economic Community (established by Treaty signed at Rome on the 25th day of March, 1957) and the European Atomic Energy Community (established by Treaty signed at Rome on the 25th day of March, 1957).

No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State necessitated by the obligations of membership of the Communities or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the Communities, or institutions thereof, from having the force of law in the State.
That went into force in 1972 and, as the text clearly shows, made European law supreme over Irish national law. That is no customs union; it is an empire.
15 posted on 03/16/2015 9:41:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: BenLurkin

Yep.


16 posted on 03/17/2015 4:25:58 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: annalex; All

Article; thread BUMP!


17 posted on 03/17/2015 5:13:39 AM PDT by PGalt
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At least our replacement workers are Mexican and not Muslim.


18 posted on 03/17/2015 5:16:51 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: BenLurkin

Not a parallel comparison. The conditions of the US is due to abandonment of the experiment thereof, while those of the EU are the culmination of their experiment.


19 posted on 03/17/2015 7:20:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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The EU project was not originally a customs union

The only thing that it was at the beginning was a customs union. That it by now has become a supra-government of many nations, and that is was never a "haphazard venture" I don't dispute.

Do you agree with the description of the EU as "the project of unifying the countries of Europe in order to harness its collective economic power, and to avoid the bloody internecine strife that stains its history".?

The author concludes that by this yardstick it failed. Do you agree?

Matters of economic expansion or contraction matter little in that. As the author points out, the European fault lines are in decline of Christianity, demographic contraction and lack of unifying civic passion. That is determinative. The economics follow. The US looks marginally better, especially if the legacy of Obama is remedied soon.

20 posted on 03/17/2015 7:53:22 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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