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The E.U. Experiment Has Failed
Hoover Institution ^ | March 5, 2015 | Bruce Thornton

Posted on 03/16/2015 8:23:01 PM PDT by annalex

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To: Olog-hai

That only points to the desire of Ireland at the time to integrate tighter. I agree, however, that at some point in the 70’s the EU had ambitions far beyond a customs union.

Empires are monarchies that rule over many diverse nations. The EU is a multi-ethnic bureaucracy, not monarchy. It will therefore, follow a path of self-destruction typical for bureaucracies as the bureaucrats learn to gratify themselves at the expense of those who work for a living. Further, a monarchy has a unifying idea that attracts nations (for example, industrialization, social justice or Orthodoxy). The EU does not have that, beyond some cheap platitudes.


21 posted on 03/17/2015 8:01:29 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: DungeonMaster

And they are workers. The European Muslim population barely works.


22 posted on 03/17/2015 8:02:46 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

No, I do not agree with that since it was a lie to begin with. Just another attempt to “unify” several nations under one overarching tyrannical central government as had happened so many times in the past going back a number of millennia. IOW, an empire. The “customs union” was clearly intended to grow into something different, especially by the words of the treaties, as I pointed out, “lay(ing) the foundation” for the aforementioned empire to rise up.

Under a social market economy, decline in Christian values is a given. The founders of the EU knew what they were doing, never mind patterning the EU’s government after the USSR’s government. The Schengen Agreement (1985) was the beginning of the EU’s deliberate attacks on demography as well.


23 posted on 03/17/2015 8:06:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: annalex

If they’re workers, then why has Obama extended so much of the welfare state towards them?


24 posted on 03/17/2015 8:06:53 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: annalex

No it does not. Ireland’s war of independence was not supposed to lead to a dependence upon a different external entity. I do not know just how Eamon de Valera’s government sold this under that referendum (sounds too much like the Lisbon Treaty and Nice Treaty revotes), but he and that government sold out the Irish people.

Empires do not have to be led by monarchies; I do not know where you got that from. The Roman Empire established the title of “Imperator” specifically to evade royal connotations, of course. The British Empire was led by a non-royal dictator (Oliver Cromwell) from about 1649 to 1658. There was nothing royal about Hitler, Stalin or Mao either.


25 posted on 03/17/2015 8:14:51 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: annalex

Suicide by PC.


26 posted on 03/17/2015 8:42:46 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: Olog-hai

OK, that is in interesting view. I need to think about it some more.


27 posted on 03/17/2015 7:13:54 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Olog-hai; DungeonMaster

I did not say the Hispanic immigrants in the US are never on welfare, — they are, indeed, a client of the American left wing, but still they come to work law wage jobs compared to the Muslim immigrants that fill the suburbs with idle youth only good to riot.


28 posted on 03/17/2015 7:16:57 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Olog-hai

It “wasn’t supposed to”, but this is how it usually happens: the governments sell out the people. All I am saying is that it is not a proof of the EU’s intent, whatever it was.

I look at the three recent empires: the British, the Russian and the Austro-Hungarian. They were lead by bona fide monarchs. Various dictatorships that you mention are not empires, even though they are sometime called that way, incorrectly.


29 posted on 03/17/2015 7:21:37 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

China [money] to the rescue!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/business/france-germany-and-italy-join-asian-infrastructure-investment-bank.html
“3 (more) European Powers Say They Will Join China-Led Bank”

All it takes is more money to keep the peasants quiet.


30 posted on 03/17/2015 7:23:23 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: annalex

If it behaves like an empire, it is one. I already pointed out that the British Empire had a period when it was not led by a monarch.


31 posted on 03/17/2015 7:46:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The difference is legitimism. The monarch leads because that is his right. Interregnum periods do not negate that principle. Instead, in leftwings quasi empires like Stalin’s the dictator dictates because he can. In EU, there is a democratic pretense of legitimacy. It is truly a “third way”.


32 posted on 03/17/2015 8:14:03 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
I did not say the Hispanic immigrants in the US are never on welfare, — they are, indeed, a client of the American left wing, but still they come to work law wage jobs compared to the Muslim immigrants that fill the suburbs with idle youth only good to riot.

Or they just blow up people running a marathon. That after being greeted with open arms and gifted by Dems with a livable wage, without having to work, for the possibility of a Dem vote. Every step away the bible is a step towards chaos and despair.

33 posted on 03/18/2015 7:52:25 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Good point. I am yet to hear of a Mexican trying to blow things up.


34 posted on 03/18/2015 7:59:16 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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